AJJ4ds 3b pot ip - flop raise

I have changed the topic title, because you don’t have AAxx, but JJxx. Otherwise I would defiantly 4bet

Anyway, pre-flop I would play the hand the same and on the flop, I don’t see a good reason to min raise and I would just call and play more aggressive on the turn when you hit a set. It’s good to know what good PLO players thinking about this hand.

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SDK1987

I don't think we have enough equity vs his cbet range to call flop, unless I'm mistaken.

Thing is on the flop that he is not folding anything better and most likely he is not calling with anything worse. With raise you isolate yourself against a range that crushes you. Flop sizing is weird, that is a miniraise. Not sure what you are representing there on a rainbow board.

You got lucky and turned one of your 6 outs that you can barrel. That 1/3 sizing is once again a bit weird, although it looks like a bluff that leaves decent bet for the river. Problem is that you can't bet all rivers, any non-pairing A-8 completes a straight and you have to check back. I would bet bigger on the turn to get value, he never has a better hand here and I don't think that small bet is inducing any shoves.

Originally posted by Kyyberi
Thing is on the flop that he is not folding anything better and most likely he is not calling with anything worse. With raise you isolate yourself against a range that crushes you. Flop sizing is weird, that is a miniraise. Not sure what you are representing there on a rainbow board.

That's clearly true - because we're bluffing. I expect to have pretty poor equity when called (i.e. just the g/shot, two b/d flushdraws and two outs for a set mentioned).

Is there a size that you think is more credible for a raise? Should we just never be raising this board? Do you agree that we can't call flop vs his 3b and cb range?

If you are bluffing, what better hands would opponent fold to a miniraise?

Originally posted by Kyyberi
If you are bluffing, what better hands would opponent fold to a miniraise?

if villain folds AKT2/AKT5/AKJT/AKTT etc, he folds ~30% equity, which is actually good for us given the raise size. In my experience, PLO isn't so much "what better folds" when it's not on the river as it is in NL. Folding out 30% equity with a minraise is actually a good result.

That's true.

I am not sure if hero should raise here with minraise at all as a standard, being in position.

Thanks, Shev for putting my point into better language! That's what I was trying to say

But I agree, Kyyberi, that this seems like a weird board to raise on for value. This is what I'm struggling with. Can you confirm then, whether you think we can call on this flop, with plan to semibluff the turns that are good for us if villain checks?

We can call. Against AA we have slightly over 30% and against 8% 3bet we have 55%. I think he is checking a ton of turns and we can then decide what to do.

^^ Ok thanks - helpful.