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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Party, $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $100.13 (100.1 bb)
Hero (BB): $185.67 (185.7 bb)
UTG: $396.58 (396.6 bb)
MP: $100 (100 bb)
CO: $142.92 (142.9 bb)
BTN: $116.41 (116.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3♠: Q♦: 3♦: Q♥:
UTG folds, MP raises to $3, 2 folds, SB calls $2.50, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($9) K♣: 6♣: K♠: (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($9) 3♥: (3 players)
SB bets $7, Hero calls $7, MP folds

River: ($23) J♦: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8.30, SB raises to $39.13, Hero calls $30.83

So... villain is a reg. Seems quite fps, but I'm unsure. Will post a linked hand with results for reference. I can 3b pre but it's not the most playable hand when oop, mw...

I'm interested in:
1. What our turn calling range should look like? {QQ/JJ/TT type hands CAN all call but obviously CO will have some AA hands he checks back so I can't call very light. I can also have some wraps with or w/o flushdraws)
2. Our river betting range. I think he reps trips when betting this turn into 2 players, so I guess I should x/b all TT/QQ hands, only betting the best trips (KQ+?) and fh, as well as my turned wraps or oesd + flush draws that missed. Given that, perhaps my betting range otr should be more polarised, in which case betting larger than my 1/3 pot size.
3. Having chosen this size I think I'm somewhat obligated to call vs villain's line. In his shoes if I had trips that weren't good enough to bet for value I'd just call the bet. So he has to have a fh that x/r for value, expecting me to bet river often. Do you agree?

Other thoughts?


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010
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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Originally posted by Kyyberi
Is the river bet for value or bluff?

Misread my hand?


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Padelbro
Joined: 21.01.2010

Would be quite horrible 3b, standard call pre.

Turn MP will fold most likely fold bare AA when SB leads big and you call, so if you for some reason suspect villain is full of it I wouldn't worry about MP. I wouldn't call superwide though, need some backup if calling QQ/JJ.

Yeah, I would bet river bigger for sure. Not pot or so, but bigger. Ppl will have hard time folding good trips anyway vs polarized bet.

Tbh I would just fold river. If he doesnt have K it's just insane bluff when you are very likely to hold K+, if he has trips unless very bad K quite unnecessary vs such small bet.

It is true though that your sizing is quite inducing, if that is why you bet so small you need obv to call..


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Shevtshenko
Joined: 06.12.2009

I don't mind the river bet. I don't quite see the bet/call though. Seems like Jx would just c/c, instead of c/r?


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

I definitely don't like betting this "thin value" size if we plan to fold to a x/r unless we figure villain as very honest (which he's likely not, being a reg). However, I can get behind a bigger size in general. He had some AQJ hand with nfd. I'm really not sure what he should do with a good J vs this sizing...


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Shevtshenko
Joined: 06.12.2009

Nice call :f_cool:


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Yes, misread

I would expect him to bet his boats on the river instead going for c-raise. If you have a read that opponent gets carried away to small inducing bets, then bet-call. If you don't have that read, I would bet bigger on the river to get more value from his calling range (Kxxx).


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Padelbro
Joined: 21.01.2010

Well, if you know he is capable of such crazy bluffs, I think this is pretty nice hand here. Got the absolute max out of him. He is doing it because he has blockers to good K+ with AQJ, but I think it's too loose bluff against too strong range of yours.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

I don't like his bluff either. Quite optimistic to take a really strange line and try to make hero fold Kxxx while hero has boats in his range. Most likely opponent just refused to give up and didn't think it that rationally.


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