$3.5T HU 87o on paired board

Problem with raising the flop is that you isolate yourself against A7, over pairs and better. The rest of the hands would fold. His 3bet sizing looks weird for sure, but I don’t see a reason for him to 3bet bluff like this and I expect he has almost always a made hand here and I would fold here.

The turn is a blank and makes no different and is folding the best I think. I don’t see a reason for him to value shove worse hands than top pair and most bluffs would fold the flop on your raise. That makes it for me interesting to know why you think you are ahead on the turn.

Cheers,
SDK1987

Originally posted by SDK1987
Problem with raising the flop is that you isolate yourself against A7, over pairs and better.

I make my decisions mostly based on my reads and a bit on stats. This is not an unknown player i think i have pretty solid reads on him.
I agree I may isolate myself against over pairs, dont see A7 in his 3betting range and even if he sporadically throws that A7(maybe A7s) i have a blocker there so its less likely for him to have it. But as I mentioned before I see his 3bet range from A9s+ ,ATo+.

Originally posted by SDK1987
The rest of the hands would fold. His 3bet sizing looks weird for sure, but I don’t see a reason for him to 3bet bluff like this and I expect he has almost always a made hand here and I would fold here.

Again based on reads his sizing doesnt add up. As mention before he value bets/cbets around 1/3 of the pot. And as mentioned before i know he is capable of 3bet bluffing like that. However I was torn here. It was like 50/50 decision to fold or call/thin 4bet.
Problem with call is that i have to fold to any OC on the turn but then it is an ez decision there. He bets i fold, he shoves i call.
If i 4bet and he shoves its deff a fold but I invest more chips.
Fold just seems to be too weak and exploitable against him.

Originally posted by SDK1987
That makes it for me interesting to know why you think you are ahead on the turn.

Its in my reads. The guy shoves a lot. We played 180 hands but over good few games. Basically each game ended with his shove and 100% of times it was eaither a draw or complete air.

Against a tight 3bet range pre-flop is it already close I think to defend with 87o in position.

Anyway, if you think you are ahead on the turn you need to have reads he would 3bet bluff the flop often, because there aren’t any draws he could have and then he need to do this with complete air and that should be only Ax hands and that makes no sense at all. Even if he would do that I prefer to shove the flop then calling his 3bet. There are so many over cards that could hurt our hand.