QJs on wet flop

On the flop i will just call and re-evaluate Turn.
You will stil have a good stack to play your tournment if you fold on the Turn.

it makes sense as a hand but I'm sure if I want to risk my tournament for this hand (I was doing that all the time... trying to fix it). Meaning I do believe I have an edge in general on my level ( :f_smile:) so I will find a better spot. Remember each fight/elimination between 2 players increases the others' equity.

I know you don't know if it's a maniac or a tight player but taking a bit of thought in both scenarios, it will probably lead you to the same decision.

If the player is a TAG his 3bet and his flop bet is strong so some kind of TPTK or TPGK or even Set. Yes I know, we have many outs, probably he is not folding and why flip it so early?
If the player is a maniac, (even though we have so many outs) we still give him a too high chance to win us, even though we are better players.

In short I would call flop and probably call off most turns unless maybe a paired board or an A.

p.s. again just my thoughts!

Your thoughts really make a good sense. I like the idea about giving up and try to find better spots for beating opponent, not trying to win a flip where I’m slight favourite. It is so good idea especially because average player on these micro turbo 6max is a fish.

But I don’t like the calling option. Lets imagine I hit my gutshot, he now knows that every jack beats him and will give up or he will call only small bets. And the same about spade on turn.

However, would like to hear some more opinions. Very tricky spot.

indeed very tricky spot! interested too to see what more experienced ppl will share.

I also got into the mindset to see the hand from his side. Would I call "your" flop raise with AQo no backdoor FD? Equally tricky

Not experienced but here are my thoughts.

If i raise preflop i would make i bigger 3-4x. With 2,5x people can call pretty light after a 3bet i would fold because you really need to hit the board hard to pursue the hand. You also have the chance to be dominated after hitting toppair.

You hit a good flop so i would shove. If he's got a set, you got 12 outs based on the gutsshout and flushdraw . If he's got toppair or overpair you've got even more. I think most of his callingrange is toppair, TT/QQ/KK/AA and AdKd. Maybe AdXd.... I he folds that fine to.

Edit:I don't like calling te flop because you can get it in good on the flop. If the turn doesn't help and you fold the turn you loose 1/3 stack. if you hit your flush he's might be inclined to fold and you don't get value...

Originally posted by nutural
indeed very tricky spot! interested too to see what more experienced ppl will share.

I also got into the mindset to see the hand from his side. Would I call "your" flop raise with AQo no backdoor FD? Equally tricky

I think I would definetely fold. As played on preflop I showed some strength with minraising and calling a 3bet. As villain I could put myself on range like 66-QQ, AJo+,AJs+ and maybe KQs. I didn't put AA, KK as I think everyone would definetely make a 4bet with those hands in early stage.

However, when facing a shove he is defintely behind me based on that range as I would make that shove with 88,TT-QQ, KsQs,AsJs+, and AQo+ where one of the cards is spade for backdoor flush. If we run Equilab then in this scenario he is already sucking 45-55. If I could slowplay like this AA,KK then he is sucking 37-63.

Originally posted by abelhans87
Not experienced but here a my thoughts.

If i raise preflop i would make i bigger 3-4x. With 2,5x people can call pretty light after a 3bet i would fold because you really need to hit the board hard to pursue the hand. You also have the chance to be dominated after hitting toppair.

You hit a good flop so i would shove. If he's got a set, you got 12 outs based on the gutsshout and flushdraw . If he's got toppair or overpair you've got even more. i think most of his range is toppair with TT/QQ/KK/AA and AdKd. Maybe AdXd....

Agree with the fold on preflop, but about raising - QJs flops very well so it is a good hand to see a flop, but at the same time I think it is good enough to steal here. And as I said before - average player here is a fish, they don't pay attention on bet sizes, so my strategy is 2-2.5BB with well flopping hands like JTs,KJs,KQs, 22-88 for set mining and stealing etc., but with monsters 3-4BB depending on stage and effective stacks.

exactly villijmeen99.
That is why I'm coming to come to terms with the shove, more and more.
Especially if we have any hint (not in this case as is unknown) that he is a "thinking" player.