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KK correct post flop play.

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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Villain stats, 140 hands, 33/19, wtsd 54, wonsd 40. Post flop should i have bigger bet? Turn is good for check, maybe he try bloff turn or river. But he bet two streets, i guess he betting two streets every pairs, and two over cards.

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $10.76 (215.2 bb)
BB: $6.16 (123.2 bb)
UTG+1: $5.26 (105.2 bb)
UTG+2: $5.55 (111 bb)
Hero (MP1): $5.20 (104 bb)
MP2: $4.19 (83.8 bb)
MP3: $5.22 (104.4 bb)
CO: $6.03 (120.6 bb)
BTN: $2.49 (49.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K♣: K♠:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 3 folds, BTN calls $0.15, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.37) 8♠: 2♦: T♣: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.18, BTN calls $0.18

Turn: ($0.73) 8♣: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.35, Hero calls $0.35

River: ($1.43) 2♠: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.69, Hero calls $0.69

Results:

Spoiler

$2.81 pot ($0.12 rake)
Final Board: 8♠: 2♦: T♣: 8♣: 2♠:
Hero mucked K♣: K♠: and lost (-$1.37 net)
BTN showed 8♦: A♥: and won $2.69 ($1.32 net)


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RentzEst
Joined: 05.09.2015

Flop- I would have made a bigger bet there .
Turn- Why are you checking on the turn ? I would had bet there.
River - I would have played the same way . Of course, if he had bet 2/3 of bot then I would fold.


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ChristopherMartin
Joined: 17.03.2018

Villain seems fishy, short stack, super high wtsd ( I know, small sample ) , maybe he doesnt fold TP+ so I think with this kind of a villain You could go for a b/b/b.
You bet 0,22 OTF, 0,52 OTT and 1,60 shove OTR when pot is ~ 1,80 and he got ~ 1,60 left.

Shit happens.


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Thanks, yes against lag player i bet the turn. But lag players often attack the turn, when opponent check and i think more value if i pass initiative.


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MatoStar
Joined: 22.07.2017

Against these shortstacker who look like a fish I would play straightforward. Just bet F,T and shove R. Against regulars you can use mix strategy OTT.


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pokerboy198229
Joined: 20.08.2011

I bet flop, turn and I bet fold the river. Against fish I trying to get as much value i can get. Because he pays us off with his all pairs.

You have some leak in betsizing, imo. You might study the bet sizing theory. Its not the first time. Its my advise. With KK you block a lot of his high card combinations as KQ AK KJ etc. So unless he has AQ/AJ he wil pay you off on flop: no need to keep it small. And if he calls the 0,18 cbet he will pay also 0.25 cent.


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ChristopherMartin
Joined: 17.03.2018

#pokerboy198229
Thats fine line but in this case, with villain stack, there is not much room to bet/fold river imo, especially when You bet 0,25 $ OTF


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pokerboy198229
Joined: 20.08.2011

Originally posted by ChristopherMartin
#pokerboy198229
Thats fine line but in this case, with villain stack, there is not much room to bet/fold river imo, especially when You bet 0,25 $ OTF

Ok i didnt see had only 50BB. Well then bet bet shove and cry if he had better.


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Originally posted by pokerboy198229
I bet flop, turn and I bet fold the river. Against fish I trying to get as much value i can get. Because he pays us off with his all pairs.

You have some leak in betsizing, imo. You might study the bet sizing theory. Its not the first time. Its my advise. With KK you block a lot of his high card combinations as KQ AK KJ etc. So unless he has AQ/AJ he wil pay you off on flop: no need to keep it small. And if he calls the 0,18 cbet he will pay also 0.25 cent.

Thanks for advices, i try play bigger bet post flop and turn. But river bet/fold is very hard and painfull especially villain 50BB stack. This hands, i bet 0.25, turn pot is 0.87 and bet about 0.65 and villain call., river pot about 2.10. And what size i have to bet river? About 1.05 what villain all stacks. So i can't folded.


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Dandiiik
Joined: 19.07.2009

I dont see any other possibility than bet bet shove. The runout is good, there are just a few draws which could be calling, I mean basically only 4 combos of J9s. So we want to extract as much value from already made hands as possible. There are many pockets like 99, JJ, QQ he could call down. As well as Tx hands. And you dont want to give him the opportunity to just check behind with showdown value. You want him to make a mistake and call your 3 barrel with mediocre hand.

He had A8, bad luck. But the runout is actually very good because it decreases the probability of him having a set.


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Yes, thats true, i will try to pay more attention for these situations and i going to play better or well.

Bad luck is my old friend :f_biggrin:


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