A9s ~ Flopped flush, river call

No.

But so hard to get away from that hand. 99% of the population here, including me, would probably call there.

I don't know, it's pretty tough to put him on his exact hand. I mean he calls a re-raise on a flushy board, so he either has a small flush, or a big flush draw with a K, or a flopped set.
If villain has just a flopped set, is he calling an almost pot size bet on the turn? I'm not sure about that. Or if he has just a flush draw there are not many chances that the Ten helped him in any way.
So it's pretty hard for me to put him on a full house here.

Youre right, his river-range is looking strongly nutheavy. But you do not know if this is some mental game: he knows, that you think.... and so on. Since he bet the river, he still has bluffs in his range. You just can't fold the nutflush here if you do not have some special read on Villain. What I do not understand is why Villain didn't shove, but then again, you can say thank you for being a bit cheap and make a note.

Originally posted by CucumbaMan
I don't know, it's pretty tough to put him on his exact hand. I mean he calls a re-raise on a flushy board, so he either has a small flush, or a big flush draw with a K, or a flopped set.
If villain has just a flopped set, is he calling an almost pot size bet on the turn? I'm not sure about that. Or if he has just a flush draw there are not many chances that the Ten helped him in any way.
So it's pretty hard for me to put him on a full house here.

I agree about his flop-calling range. But in reality on a river like this, he's never betting a flush. Qx is checking back. And he obviously has something as he called a F/R+ T barrel. I just don't see any regs even having a bluffing range here on the river.

Originally posted by clovenhoofsdoom
But you do not know if this is some mental game: he knows, that you think.... and so on.

As I said, I doubt there's a mental game after he calls the flop raise and turn bet. Obviously folding here Is extremely exploitable, but wouldn't we be actually exploiting a nutted range by folding here?..

I don't think it's extremely exploitable to fold there. Villain can not see your hand so he does not know what you folded.

These hands are rare also. It will not influence your stats in such a way it shows.

why isnt standaard to bet fold? Thas what i would do most od the time.

I think we can make it bigger OTF, at least 3,5x. And I would bet/fold River with like 1/2 size. He could still have some top pairs, KK and worse flushes which would check back if we check, but could call if we bet. Also, some players would 3bet sets OTF (also worse flushes, though). When we check, I don't see enough worse hands betting. When his calling range is wider than betting range, and we have a thin value, it's better to bet/fold then check/call.

Originally posted by Alleen86
I think we can make it bigger OTF, at least 3,5x. And I would bet/fold River with like 1/2 size. He could still have some top pairs, KK and worse flushes which would check back if we check, but could call if we bet. Also, some players would 3bet sets OTF (also worse flushes, though). When we check, I don't see enough worse hands betting. When his calling range is wider than betting range, and we have a thin value, it's better to bet/fold then check/call.

Originally posted by DecMate
As I said, I doubt there's a mental game after he calls the flop raise and turn bet. Obviously folding here Is extremely exploitable, but wouldn't we be actually exploiting a nutted range by folding here?..

Point taken!

Hi,

what is the idea behind the raise OTF? Intuitively I would just have called as his only hands with considerable equity are sets. I fear that the raise could fold out a lot of hands of which one could otherwise get at least one more street of value.
And what do you guys think of villain's play in this hand? Do you think his call OTF was ok, given that he had TP and a draw to a mediocre flush? I think I would have folded if I was him. Are there good arguments for him to continue?

Interesting question, ben002!

I think his flop call can be fine but it depends on odds and outs, which I did not calculate. You probably would raise flushs with suited connectors as well, so a T high flush can be the best hand plus you have the small chance for runner runner fullhouse as it happened to this villain, where you can play for the biggest pots.

Ok here is the calculation of odds:

for the call on the flop you just need 25% equity. Now it gets a bit workheavy, so I leave it up to you: what would you think is Villains range here? Put it into equilab and see if we get 25%

Originally posted by ben002
Hi,
what is the idea behind the raise OTF? Intuitively I would just have called as his only hands with considerable equity are sets. I fear that the raise could fold out a lot of hands of which one could otherwise get at least one more street of value.
And what do you guys think of villain's play in this hand? Do you think his call OTF was ok, given that he had TP and a draw to a mediocre flush? I think I would have folded if I was him. Are there good arguments for him to continue?

The idea behind the raise on the flop is pretty simple.. we have the nuts, we want money. Keep it simple.
"one more street of value" ~ don't think this is a great ideology to have here. I wana get stacks in ASAP, charge his sets / 2P hands and get bonk from his flushes.
I think he played it awful and should of folded the flop. Well his river bet is alright I guess. but Q10o vs an unknowns flop raise,.. always folding.