Standart open, call.
MP As Js, BTN call
FLOP: 8d Jh Th
Many... many cards I don't want to see on the turn. (like: 7, 9, Q, K). That's why I should c-bet for protection? (but than on the turn I have to check and do no uncomfortable call OTT, OTR very often either), or?
Why do you have to check OTT?
And now don't ask what to do OTR then ♦ it can depend very much on the board runout, bet sizes that were used, villain and so on.
It is not a great situation for you but if the card is K or Q it also gives you a nut gutshot. There is still some money you can get from some draws or weaker pair+draw hands
You figured out the bad things when checking, you know that you will have an uncomfortable call OTT and trouble OTR. But you also know you might not have a clear value bet.
If you don't feel comfortable firing a larger bet but you also wouldn't want to check it --> consider betting smaller.
I see, if I bet flop and bad turn (K,Q too - he has many combs with these cards in range), I will face to uncomfortable call OTT and trouble OTR, won't I?
Originally posted by la55i
If you don't feel comfortable firing a larger bet but you also wouldn't want to check it --> consider betting smaller.
Good rule of thumb on more static textures but absolutely not here in my opinion. Betting small accomplishes nothing as it doesn't deny equity well (moreover OOP, BU can float so easily) and opens the room for raising trouble. You just have to choose between betting big or checking.
I suppose most people's instinct would be to bet here, but it should probably be wiser to check at least versus any decent opponent.
Floxy did you take into account that turn raises are underbluffed and that most of our villains are not decent? ♦
Oh so you were talking about the turn ? Which turn ? 
What do you know about villains as we don't even know what room and stake the hh comes from ? 
I'm not even sure turn raises are that underbluffed. People like to raise their draws.
I think we concluded that the flop bet is fine but the OP was thinking what to do OTT if for example 7, 9, Q, K comes. So I was talking about what to do OTT when one of those cards hit 
Well first the flop bet isn't that obvious and second betting small on the turn isn't an exploitative thing at micros unless I've missed a trend 
I think if we bet flop we have to check/call the turn and that's all. I wouldn't always bet flop though.
That's the point guys! I am talking about flop and than turn. Basic question was what to do OTF. We would like to c-bet but on these cards won't be nice play. (specially on this flop he can flat easily and then bluff us or use his EQ). So, what to do :).
I wouldnt cbet on this board either. I like betting it polarized (pot bet or overbet) and therefore with tight range. Tptk, no bdfd seems to loose to fit in my polarized range. The thing is, btn hits this board fairly well, we need to pot control, why would we cbet? I feel like i just have to play passive this one.
Originally posted by nitrol
Willy,
If you are not cbetting your TP here, on what flops are you cbetting then?
:). I am not sure if I have 3streets value, so why not check flop .. Anyway. What do you think guys?
On what flops will you make a cbet?
I am asking so we can decide if we are cbetting too small or too big.
