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TOP 2 vs action on blank turn

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SkokE
Joined: 24.11.2007

Hi guys,

The villan is a 22/18 35% steal 1.8 AF 32% of time

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $3.46 (69.2 bb)
Hero (BB): $6.49 (129.8 bb)
UTG: $5.84 (116.8 bb)
MP: $4.07 (81.4 bb)
CO: $9.97 (199.4 bb)
BTN: $5 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K♥: J♥:
2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32) K♣: J♠: 7♣: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.32) 3♦: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, CO raises to $0.70, Hero raises to $2.04, CO raises to $9.82, Hero calls $4.30 and is all-in

River: ($13.00) 9♣: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

The plan was X/R flop. stab 1/2 any turn and try to get AI soon as possible (except a clue turn of course)... that action on turn I think that I just can't fold to his raise.. but against the 4bet shove :f_eek:? how do u play? which sizes do U use?

thanks


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

I usually 3bet pre KJs on the BB vs CO opens. It should be in both calling and 3betting ranges and you should adapt the play to every player. Being a 22/18 his CO range should be wide enough for KJs to be ahead here.
You were a bit deep (130bb efective), so from this perspective calling makes more sense.
I like the flop check-raise. You have enough draws to balance with the value hands. Why not attempt a check/raise OTT again? He has some hands he wants to check OTF, like small/medium PP. He probably takes a shot after you check twice.
When you donk and he raises it is all about trying to shove OTT. I can't fold here after the flop action.
If he is slowplaying KK/JJ/77 that's part of the game, suck it up.


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SkokE
Joined: 24.11.2007

Ty zetozinho, OTT I prefer stab instead of try X/R because I don't want give him a free card for his possible projects


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cms81
Joined: 24.04.2013

I agree KJs could be either a bb 3b or flat against a Co range leaning more to 3b especially against what looks like to be a reg, I think the Xr flop plan was a great idea i think as played you could have even went for the double check with the intentions of Xr Turn...


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Marado2020
Joined: 24.04.2015

I would play the same way you did! If he is slow playing a set well it's bad luck for you because you have two pair and really shouldn't let it go unless there's a monotone board.
I wouldn't 3B with KJ yes I could make some hands fold but if he calls, and I miss completely I would give the hand up, and if he 4B I would fold pre-flop. So I think there's not much to get out of 3betting with KJs pre-flop.
Your bet OTT is spot on, there's a FD coming and you want to make him pay for them so we'll played..

If he has set well it happen but I think you couldn't do anything different on that situation.

Well played


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bigdog63
Joined: 24.10.2011

Preflop a 3bet might have been my preferred play.
At these limits the turn raise can be random spew as well as a turned set. No harm in being careful here, imo. Villain appears reggish, more weight towards 33?
Calling and rethinking the river? with the club showing up there I might even find a fold (if I would have put it in on the turn too).


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MLima1984
Joined: 19.05.2015

Im also in favor of a 3bet pre.
As played, checking OTF to the agressor is ok.
Taking iniciative OTT is also wp on my opinion. As you said, you dont want to give a free card. The bet sizes seem also ok.

The villain seems eager to get the stack in play, but you cant fold and also want to go AI here. If he managed to get a set (7s or 3s) its just a cooler.


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Chstal
Joined: 31.07.2011

After you 3bet turn, why dont you fold? I believe yours 3bet sizing on turn is big. This is never bluff: He have KK, JJ or 33, i think he would cbet 77 on flop and maybe he have KJ but i doubt.


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SkokE
Joined: 24.11.2007

Originally posted by Chstal
After you 3bet turn, why dont you fold? I believe yours 3bet sizing on turn is big. This is never bluff: He have KK, JJ or 33, i think he would cbet 77 on flop and maybe he have KJ but i doubt.

That is one of the things that i want to know, how horrible or if is OK play 3bet/F OTT


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

With top two pair on this board you just can't fold after the flop action and with no info on villain.
I don't know what you guys need to call a shove here if you can't do it with top two.


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Chstal
Joined: 31.07.2011

Originally posted by SkokE

Originally posted by Chstal
After you 3bet turn, why dont you fold? I believe yours 3bet sizing on turn is big. This is never bluff: He have KK, JJ or 33, i think he would cbet 77 on flop and maybe he have KJ but i doubt.

That is one of the things that i want to know, how horrible or if is OK play 3bet/F OTT

Its not bad, cause pot is very small. You are risking too much money, you are only beating pure bluff.


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semiramiRNMD
Joined: 25.10.2009

I like it, I am not able to fold top 2 on this board, if he has a set he will have my stack.


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