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(FR) JJ - overpair in 3bet pot vs donk turn

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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

$0.05 NL - Holdem - 7 players

BB: 110.6 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
UTG: 305.4 BB (VPIP: 5.00, PFR: 2.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
UTG+1: 15.2 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 18)
MP: 73.8 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
CO: 348.8 BB (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
Hero (BTN): 99.6 BB
SB: 62.8 BB (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J♦ J♥

fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 6 BB
Thoughts and questions:

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I thought about just calling here, 'cause villain was very nitty, but I decided to 3bet. I had position, maybe I could force some AX/KX to fold

Flop: (19.4 BB, 2 players) 9♣ 2♦ 4♣
CO checks, Hero bets 12 BB, CO calls 12 BB
Thoughts and questions:

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Not sure about my sizing here. Bigger? It's was a 3bet pot and I guess villain would've 3bet pre KK+, so I'm probably against TT-QQ and AQ+, after the preflop action.

Turn: (43.4 BB, 2 players) T♣
CO bets 20.8 BB, fold
Thoughts and questions:

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When I cbet flop and villain continues, I'm either against a strong pair TT-QQ or a nut flush draw.
I don't see a passive/nitish player donking a draw here, in a 3bet pot (I could be wrong) and I didn't want to play for half of my stack in a lot of rivers, so I decided to gave up.

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CO wins 41.4 BB


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Seems well played, but it's always tough to fold an over pair against a donk, but I don't think he would do it with toppair or weaker.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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semiramiRNMD
Joined: 25.10.2009

Well played for me too. OTF I like the 3-bet, because you'll know where you are, he will 4-b and you can fold, if you flat you'll have no idea about his hand. OTT I think he will rarely have anything that you beat and you'll face another bet OTR and you don't have clean outs. Good fold.


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Against a good opponent the turn fold is exploitable. I'm pretty sure any solver will tell you to call JJ here (all the combos) 100% of the times or close against that size. You should be aware you must defend here pretty wide.
The thing is that villain is probably not a good player.


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cms81
Joined: 24.04.2013

I think you played the hand really well, I like how you have went bigger OTF with your cb sizing I know the solvers will say that bet sizing doesn't matter OTF but if villain is on a draw make him pay to chase it. OTT when you are donked into i think you are almost always beat from what i see on stars players rarely donk weak and if you are up against a flush you are drawing dead. Well played..


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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

Villain had

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76 of diamonds :f_confused:


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srichards
Joined: 26.11.2012

I like to simplify Poker after three betting or calling a three bet. I prefer three bets to be 16 Big Blinds. That creates a SPR of 2.6 if you start the hand with 100 Big Blinds or an even lower SPR if your opponent has fewer chips. Thus, you are intentionally pot committed at the Flop. Post Flop decisions become quite easy if you allow yourself to be pulled into a three bet when you are pot committed. If there is a lot of money on the table, why make the decisions difficult? I would prefer to have at least 32 Big Blinds in the pot at the Flop and would shove with a pair over board cards like the JJ in this hand. With this aggressive play towards 3 Bets, my range is QQ+ or AK. I am looking to win a big pot with a three bet or quickly walk away from the hand.


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MLima1984
Joined: 19.05.2015

Good fold.


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