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(FR) QQ vs 4bet pre

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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

Villain was unknown

$0.05 NL - Holdem - 8 players

SB: 118.4 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BB: 113.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
UTG: 117.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
UTG+1: 97 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
MP+1: 49.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
Hero (CO): 102 BB
BTN: 109.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q♣ Q♠

fold, fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP raises to 27 BB, fold
Thoughts and questions:

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call? 5bet shove? If I only call here, should I fold for a cbet OTF if the board has a high card?

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MP wins 19.4 BB


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Call the 4bet in position. I think it is a pretty easy call. 5bet vs MP without some solid background or table dynamics is too much with QQ. AK would be a better 5bet for instance because you block AA and KK that might call/shove.
Postflop depends on the board and villain's action, so there's no way someone can answer what to generally do.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

It's tricky to call I think with already more than 1/4 of your stack in the middle and is easy to get committed on the flop if he Cbets on when you have a over pair. On NL5 is not to bad to fold I think against a unknown and if you have reads he's aggressive you can always stack off. I would push or fold with so much chips in the middle pre-flop.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

Villain had

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JJ


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think a 5 bet against unknown guy opening from MP could be overplay. Still wouldn't fold this hand --> my option would be to call.
Postflop depends on the board and villain's bet size.

We could also consider the population tendencies. I believe people 4bet quite tight. In such a case I don't think it would be horrible to fold QQ at least with some frequency, especially against such large 4bet.


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