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AK vs regular in 3bet pot(OOP)

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8sprint4
Joined: 09.10.2019

Is it fold on flop?? These types of hands are causing me problems. In the blinds making 3bet- regular callis, getting the TPTK and making cbet- regulars reraise. Maybe against such players just call them to the end or in the long run is it big mistake ??? ?(

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: 344 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 16.77, 3Bet Preflop: 7.09, Hands: 1,867)
BTN steal - 40%
Fold to 3bet in BTN - 44%
Raise cbet in 3bet pot - 0% (0/6)
Raise cbet in non 3bet pot - 0 (0/17)

Hero (SB): 108.4 BB
BB: 71.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
UTG: 121 BB (VPIP: 24.56, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 120)
MP: 82.8 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
CO: 96.4 BB (VPIP: 10.53, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♥ K♦

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.4 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, BTN calls 7.6 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) J♥ 9♠ A♣
Hero bets 11 BB, BTN raises to 28 BB,

Spoiler

Hero calls 17 BB

Turn: (77 BB, 2 players) 8♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 29.6 BB, Hero raises to 70.4 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 40.8 BB

River: (217.8 BB, 2 players) 4♠

Hero shows A♥ K♦ (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 60%, Flop 69%, Turn 0%)
BTN shows T♠ Q♠ (Straight, Queen High)
(Pre 40%, Flop 31%, Turn 100%)
BTN wins 208.8 BB


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LacsapR
Joined: 14.07.2011

I wouldn't fold this on the flop. He can raise with wo many draws. Of course you might be beat some tikes by AJ, A9 but AK the s too strong to fold tight away. I don't like the turn rcheck raise though. Tje 8 brings some of his draws and you isolate yourself vs better hands... He might not even call AQ here anymore which is one of the only hands you beat. I'd check call and probably fold to another bet on the river.

Just my thoughts, interested in some others :)


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TurokRider
Joined: 21.10.2011

Aarrgg I hate spots like these. I think I would just make a weak fold on the flopraise. He could be on a draw or some weak(-er) ace, but do I really want to stick my stack in here? nope. Calling makes us potcommited so I prefer shoving above calling.

Haven't seen the spoiler yet, so no comment on turn/river play yet

[edit]
Seen spoiler. Don't like the shove at all. Only better hands will call.


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generals007
Joined: 17.09.2007

You have a lot of hands on him and he has never reraised your cbet on the flop after a 3bet. He is also reasonably tight. So we can assume he has something.

"Something" may include any 2 pair, set, QT, T8, AK, AQ, most of which beats you. I am tossing this on flop or turn. It's sad, but his stats are screaming value line.


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GridironAssassin
Joined: 19.12.2014

Flop is a call. I use a 30% to 40% range bet strategy OOP in 3b pots as the aggressor, so my bet would be smaller here. Solver will advocate a larger size, but that assumes optimal vs optimal play. Betting smaller allows up to bet/call on flops more often and draw for a better price those times we are behind here.

Turn is a check/fold when they start piling $$$$ in draw completing cards. 8's, Q's, T's and to a lesser degree, 7's are quite bad for you in this instance. Not only due to them filling many draws, but Q/T also fill two pair.


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maniac
Joined: 29.03.2006

well this flop raise from this kind of player is pretty strong. He has got lots of 2pair and str8 in his range. I call the flop raise and let go on the turn if he bets.

greets

maniac


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eetwidomayloh
Joined: 08.03.2012

folding??
well then, i would like to know what kind of flop do u want with AK in 3betpot?
sounds like u r playin with no plan


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generals007
Joined: 17.09.2007

Originally posted by eetwidomayloh
folding??
well then, i would like to know what kind of flop do u want with AK in 3betpot?
sounds like u r playin with no plan

Yes, folding.
I want that flop. I don't want him to reraise; I prefer him to call.
My plan is to to make money vs. worse hands and not pay off his set with my pair.

You come off as quite rude in basically all your comments.


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maniac
Joined: 29.03.2006

Originally posted by eetwidomayloh
folding??
well then, i would like to know what kind of flop do u want with AK in 3betpot?
sounds like u r playin with no plan

thats the pain and the luck of BSS poker. You want that you hand fits in your predestined plan for the hand. If no than you have to guess whats wrong. If you play shorter in stack size you have less decisions. If I had less than ~50bb in this hand most of the time I just go broke on the flop vs recreationals because I would expect them to do this with enough worse hands. In this hand its different because you have more room or streets to play.

greets

maniac


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