5€ 76o SBvsBB limped pot, ITM moment ago

I agree with your line until turn. (OTF you can call due to the implieds) Nevertheless ott I dont see why you should have more 5x than him. Do you limp 52o or 53o I guess most of the time you dont. He can have any 5x and elect to raise with it. Imo the 5 is no good for any of you. paired boards are often just not hit by anybody. Long story short I dont think that I like you turn donk for that reason. Paired boards are not a type I would elect to bluff. Not on the river and not on the turn too. Maybe thats just me beeing inexperienced.
Asplayed after he calls turn I think we are beat. I would not pull the trigger otr because he will not believe you not a 5 and not an ace. Fishes will call because of their showdownmonkeyness and regs will call all of their bluff catchers they have because your range consits of oesd's and spade flush draws. Thus fish call lighter than they should because the just reached itm and know they need a stack to have a chance.

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maniac

It's pretty questionable to raise 5x in villain shoes as his equity versus hands that continue is not that great and he enters into guessing situation in bloated pot. Plus getting 3bet he has to fold. Now it's possible he has it sometimes but I don't see it often being case. For me on other hand majority of 5x I cbet will also be bluff catchers to call with. Plus cbet make lot of sense as most of time hand is best and need protection.

Personally I would not take this line with flush draws and close with this one also with one spade. Best sort of bluff combo would likely be e.g. 8h7h so we would block his draws as little as possible yet have gutshot and backdoor flush draw. Turn donk bet is pretty standard to get some fold equity and often realize our equity. We can't really check-call much of a bet on flush draw board with less clean outs. Though this is one of rare turns I would have donk bet range on this spot.

This is not most standard example of turn pairing situation. But let's say BU open raise, BB call. Flop comes T♥:8♥:5♣:. Usually BU is not eager to cbet 5x or most 8x simply because fold equity is not high on wet board and getting raised even when you have like K8 gets into nasty spot. So if flop goes as cbet, call and turn pairs 8 or 5 it will more often improve BB player range.

well if we follow your explaination I think your range is polarized on this board. Do you find enough bluffs to compensate your value hands? I think this is a spot who people tend to overbluff and because of the pairre board and the ace people are more likely to see thew that.

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maniac

Another problem could be that on a random €5 MTT a random player isn't think much in ranges and that makes it tough to bluff.

Originally posted by maniac
well if we follow your explaination I think your range is polarized on this board. Do you find enough bluffs to compensate your value hands? I think this is a spot who people tend to overbluff and because of the pairre board and the ace people are more likely to see thew that.

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maniac

Yeah sure its mainly trips or air. On the river villain needs around 33% of time to be ahead so we could count combos. Value range will be 54 combos or so:

Bluffing range would be 16 combos assuming I would use 63s and most 67o as bluff.

Now I would actually check some of the 5x just to have them in check range and probably not bluff all 76 combos and give up some on river. Anyway if we say that value range would be 40 combos and bluff range 12 combos:

12/40*100= 30 so with those numbers villain would be 30% of time good with bluff catcher. So I think it looks ok. Hand like 45 I would 3bet OOP on flop.

Villain actually had 23o here. Didnt even think of it completing on river ♦

Originally posted by SDK1987
Another problem could be that on a random €5 MTT a random player isn't think much in ranges and that makes it tough to bluff.

Yeah it could be. Though if villain is not thinking much A might also work as scare card imo.