PLO4 AA55s 3bet pot flop line?

Not the best flop but I think its better to make life easy and bet big like 3/4pot. Don t think you get raised often enough not valid a bet on this flop and you have position. When you check you have to play a guessing game with this small bets and 'have ' to call down.

Yeah it might be best line. WIthout spade backdoor I would have likely went for bet-fold.

did you calc this? i doubt bet-fold is a good idea at spr4 here. and instead of 3/4 you should pot the flop so on turn you have spr1 (this is the magic of spr<=4)

Nope I have not used any softwares. Ok well I am too hesitant to stack off then with these dry sort of AAxx. So far have been in pretty bad shape usually when I do get in and don't really have experience how wide people would stack off.

So if I pot and villain call I should shove like non diamond 2, 3, 4, 5, Q, K and A. 7 or 9 are plausible? Maybe some other spades? Worst cards would anyway be diamond, 6, 8, T and J probably.

Well let's change perspective and say we are in villain shoes. What his stack off range should look versus hero and pot cbet readless? Should he mainly shove or fold or does call make sense?

Originally posted by efkay
did you calc this? i doubt bet-fold is a good idea at spr4 here. and instead of 3/4 you should pot the flop so on turn you have spr1 (this is the magic of spr<=4)

+1

We already had :Ax:xx on mid/low-wet boards somewhere where I explained it in more detail...
the formula for 3bp's hu is to play pot-pot (beside the turn comes a :diamond:, or ) or to pot-call (allin) otf if villain shoves.

Well I suppose this was pretty much same, sry for that.

Ok so if making rule of thumb we can take pot-pot plan on non made straight offering or non monotone flop? Well I would not pot on more dry paired boards at least. Plan is to barrel turn when it's not most likely straight completing one or one completing flush. With SPR 4 or less.

Can this be applied on bit higher card flops like 5TJ etc? I would imagine possibility of sets, two pairs and stronger draws increasing.

Also still interested what villain range versus pot bet should be. There was assumption in other topic I think about any flopped pair and most reasonable draws as general micro stake opponent but is that range we should be stacking off as optimal play?

PS: also I did have mid pair blocker in that other AAxx hand which I think was kind of plus. But it was also bit more coordinated flop with J74 maybe. Though I suppose wraps around 79 is quite more likely compared to 74. J7 only offer inside wrap anyway.

Well I should be soon doing some hand versus range equity analyzing with odds oracle. Once I get that payed as for some weird reason paying seems to require PayPal which has closed my account for whatever reason. Well could create another email for second free trial.

@ghaleon are you familiar with http://www.propokertools.com/simulations ?

Yeah but can I really do meaningful hand vs range analyze with it? Might be that I just failed with syntax when tried it.

well you can analyze A how often villain folds to your cbet and B whats your equity when GII so that should relly help you to figure out how to play AA in 3bet pot

Originally posted by ghaleon
Ok so if making rule of thumb we can take pot-pot plan on non made straight offering or non monotone flop?

Yes especially on mid/low boards (these are boards that have at least 1 middle card 9-6,1 low card 5-2 and maximum 1 broadway card K-T but no ace, trips, flushes or straights possible) where it is harder for a raise/calling rang to hit 2-pair. If the flop is 2-toned, I call it a mid/low wet board if it is rainbow I call it a mid/low dry board, I give you some examples:

mid/low wet
J♠:9♦:2♦:
Q♦:9♠:6♠:
T♦:7♥:5♦:
K♣:3♥:2♣:

mid/low dry
J♣:T♦:5♠:
8♥:4♠:3♣:
J♥:7♦:6♠:
9♣:6♦:4♠:

We also can play pot-pot on A-boards, Broadways boards (hardcore use of our 3-bet-range-advantage) but we also use half-pot sizing to balance here whereas on mid/low dry boards it is better to use a pot-pot strategy only. On very static boards like straight, paired and monotone we do not bet pot at all and use a small sizing only. Some of the best boards to play pot-pot with a high frequency are dry low and hard to hit flops, in a more advanced environment we are also bluffing here weak draws like a bare gutshot to balance our AAxx range:

8♠:6♦:3♥:
7♣:4♥:2♠:
9♦:5♠:4♦:

Also still interested what villain range versus pot bet should be. any flopped pair and most reasonable draws as general micro stake opponent but is that range we should be stacking off as optimal play?

This is dependant primarily on the SPR and villain how tight and aggressive he is. At SPR 1 we can stack-off any Overpair or any Top-pair (preferably with kickers or a draw) and any draw with more than 4 outs (gutshot+bdfd). Bottom-pair and Mid-pair by itself is pretty weak and I would handle it more like an additional draw/blocker. At SPR4 we need stronger hands to comfortably stack-off I would start here with top-2pair, top-pair+draw, any set any medium-combo-hand. It is also important that we are HU and not 3-way. If we are 3-way our hand-strength requirements are much higher, we should handle a SPR1.5 pot like a SPR4 pot.

The PPT syntax u can find here:

PPT-Syntax