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TPTK in 4beted pot. Push or fold?

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PokerGenesis
Joined: 03.06.2015

PokerStars - 10/20 Ante 3 NL - Holdem - 45 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 1,466
UTG: 1,385
UTG+1: 1,814
MP: 1,449
MP+1: 1,149
CO: 1,863
Hero (BTN): 1,399
SB: 1,399

8 players post ante of 3, SB posts SB 10, BB posts BB 20

Pre Flop: (pot: 54) Hero has J♣ A♦

UTG raises to 60, fold, MP calls 60, fold, fold, Hero raises to 210, fold, fold, UTG raises to 360, fold, Hero calls 150

Flop: (834, 2 players) 8♦ J♠ 2♦
UTG bets 1,022 and is all-in, Hero ??

Spoiler

Flop: (834, 2 players) 8♦ J♠ 2♦
UTG bets 1,022 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,022

Turn: (2,878, 2 players) K♥

River: (2,878, 2 players) 6♣

UTG shows Q♥ Q♦ (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 71%, Flop 77%, Turn 89%)
Hero shows J♣ A♦ (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 29%, Flop 23%, Turn 11%)
UTG wins 2,878

I think Ok pre flop because the odds. How to play flop?


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I would most likely just call pre-flop or the UTG player is aggressive.
His 4bet sizing is tricky. Off course the odds are decent, but you are often dominated and even if you hit top pair you have often the 2nd best hand and I would make a tight fold.

As played you hit top pair top kicker and no way I can fold any more. His over shove is weird, but i you fold now you can fold pretty much any flop against him. Than you should fold this hand pre-flop already if you fold top pair now.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

AJo is not really hand you want to be flatting preflop. Its either fold or light 3bet. So I dont mind prefop 3bet, though usually I would just fold, but once UTG make clickback 4bet I would fold as default. Pot odds are great but villain range just tend to be like QQ+, AKs or so. Sometimes it could be just maniac villain with random stuff but that is rare.

We see issue of cheap preflop call in this flop. Its one of best ones with top pair and backdoor fd yet its nasty to stack off. But once you call preflop its mandatory call here as SDK said above.

PS: A high flop I would be much more eager to stack off as this preflop line from villain is much more often big pocket than AQ+. So when its like AT7 we beat QQ, KK and only one AA remaining.


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PokerGenesis
Joined: 03.06.2015

Hi,
I liked your notes. If we consider that the villain 4bets only the top of range we have:
AJo VS (JJ+, AQs+, AKo)
Pre flop equity: 25%.
Pre flop pot odds: 5:1
Pre flop odds: 3:1
Pos flop equity: 52%
Pos flop pot odds: 1.8:1
Pos flop odds: 1:1
In that event I would have hit the hand but I don't know if the villain shoves this without an overpair JJ+ then my equity would be 25%. What do you think?


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

He might shove with A high also if he has them in preflop min 4bet range. More often AK would just shove preflop I would say. But yeah its plausible he has it. You can limit AK frequency by taking just e.g. 1/3 of possible combos into his range.


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