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abezdeck
Joined: 29.03.2020

Do you think this is an over fold should have a raised the flop?

PokerStars Hand #211023217440: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05 USD) - 2020/03/30 20:06:33 ET
Table 'Giomus VII' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: Leafland ($5.83 in chips)
Seat 3: viteo4ik92 ($5.10 in chips)
Seat 4: Oboe2000 ($4.20 in chips)
Seat 5: losenok666 ($6.03 in chips)
Seat 6: Clairtonbeck ($5.28 in chips)
Seat 8: tonymazzei ($5.04 in chips)
tonymazzei: posts small blind $0.02
Leafland: posts big blind $0.05
HOLE CARDS
Dealt to tonymazzei [Qc Ac]
viteo4ik92: raises $0.05 to $0.10
Oboe2000: folds
losenok666: raises $0.22 to $0.32
Clairtonbeck: folds
tonymazzei: calls $0.30
Leafland: folds
viteo4ik92: folds
FLOP [9d Qd 2h]
tonymazzei: checks
losenok666: bets $0.86
tonymazzei: calls $0.86
TURN [9d Qd 2h] [Kd]
tonymazzei: checks
MKR50 joins the table at seat #1
losenok666: bets $4.14
tonymazzei: folds
Uncalled bet ($4.14) returned to losenok666
losenok666 collected $2.41 from pot
losenok666: doesn't show hand
SUMMARY
Total pot $2.51 | Rake $0.10
Board [9d Qd 2h Kd]
Seat 2: Leafland (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: viteo4ik92 folded before Flop
Seat 4: Oboe2000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: losenok666 collected ($2.41)
Seat 6: Clairtonbeck (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: tonymazzei (small blind) folded on the Turn


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Hi abezdeck,
I've moved this thread to the hand discussion forum, where it will be more likely to get answered.

Also, rather than posting the raw hand history, it is helpful to other members if you convert the hand to a forum-readable format first.

Instructions on how to do that with popular databases are here:
https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=1432565#post1432565

If you don't have a database yet, then Feral Cow Poker has a simple one here:
http://www.feralcowpoker.com/poker-hand-history-converter.php
Hint: use the output format "two plus two emoticons"

This is what the output would look like -- as you can see it is much easier to follow the hand action:
Feral Cow Poker Hand Converter
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05 - 6 players

BB: $5.83
UTG: $5.10
UTG+1: $4.20
CO: $6.03
Button: $5.28
SB: $5.04 (Hero)

Preflop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with Q♣ A♣ (6 players)
UTG raises to $0.10, UTG+1 folds, CO raises to $0.32, Button folds, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.79) 9♦ Q♦ 2♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.86, Hero calls $0.86

Turn: ($2.51) K♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $4.14, Hero folds

CO collected $2.41

(Rake: $0.10)

As for your question, I would definitely bet the flop.
As played -- good fold on the turn,

Cheers,
VS


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Casey55
Joined: 19.07.2010

I think you could 4-bet or call before the flop I think it’s important to have an idea if the opponent is 3-betting with a polarized range or linear. If he’s betting with a linear range like all the big over-pairs and big suited cards I don’t know why he would overbet the pot he should have a lot of Queens , you don’t have to defend very often against his bet sizing but your hand is premium so I would I see the call. The turn is just an ugly card for you it completes JT, flushdraws and brings an overcard that should be good for your opponents range, we also don’t have a diamond to continue and his bet is massive nice fold keep an eye on opponents like this to see if they are frequently over betting try and figure out , are they overbetting only when bluffing ? For value? Are they frequently this aggressive ? Against very aggressive players you typically want to make more call downs but you have to have assessed them correctly .


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abezdeck
Joined: 29.03.2020

Thanks for the answers everyone.

Here is another one to discuss:

Poker Hand #HD335992885: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2020/04/02 21:48:33
Table 'NLHBlue10' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: c395bcbc ($6.24 in chips)
Seat 2: 483572a3 ($4.95 in chips)
Seat 3: 858611a4 ($8.96 in chips)
Seat 4: 8702e85a ($5.69 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($6.67 in chips)
Seat 6: 39754dd4 ($9.7 in chips)
483572a3: posts small blind $0.02
858611a4: posts big blind $0.05
HOLE CARDS
Dealt to c395bcbc
Dealt to 483572a3
Dealt to 858611a4
Dealt to 8702e85a
Dealt to Hero [8s 8d]
Dealt to 39754dd4
8702e85a: folds
Hero: raises $0.1 to $0.15
39754dd4: folds
c395bcbc: calls $0.15
483572a3: raises $0.39 to $0.54
858611a4: folds
Hero: calls $0.39
c395bcbc: calls $0.39
FLOP [4c 6c 4d]
483572a3: checks
Hero: bets $0.63
c395bcbc: calls $0.63
483572a3: folds
TURN [4c 6c 4d] [9d]
Hero: bets $1.06
c395bcbc: raises $4.01 to $5.07 and is all-in
Hero: calls $4.01
c395bcbc: shows [5d 6d] (Pair of Sixes and Pair of Fours)
Hero: shows [8s 8d] (Pair of Eights and Pair of Fours)
RIVER [4c 6c 4d 9d] [8h]
SHOWDOWN
Hero collected $13.07 from pot
SUMMARY
Total pot $13.07
Board [4c 6c 4d 9d 8h]
Seat 1: c395bcbc (button) showed [6d 5d] and lost with Pair of Sixes and Pair of Fours
Seat 2: 483572a3 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: 858611a4 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: 8702e85a folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Hero showed [8s 8d] and won ($13.07) with Eights Full over Fours
Seat 6: 39754dd4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


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I don't seem to be able to convert the second hh there should be a way of converting the hh format with poker tracker to paste in to threads. . Also Making a new thread for each hand history is better.

I don't like over calling 3bets at the best of times so folding pre or turning it in to a 4bet buff is another option.This spot you have the added disadvantages that your oop to both utg and co.And by flatting pre you entice utg to call with better odds making it a 3 way pot oop.


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