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sebbi51
Joined: 16.01.2008

I am not sure if betting TP on the river for value was the right move. Or was betting the turn for value a mistake (pot control)?
When villain shoves the river I put him on a polarized range - busted draw or an 8. But would he call 2 streets with middle pair?
And is there any chance to fold the river raise getting 1:4 odds?
Not sure where i messed up. thanks for any advice!

No Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05
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6 players

Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($8.37)
MP - MP ($5.00)
CO - CO ($12.68)
BTN - BTN ($6.16)
SB - Hero ($5.86)
BB - BB ($8.73)

Preflop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is SB with J♦ K♦
2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.35

Flop: 8♠ J♠ 6♣ ($1.05, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.51, CO calls $0.51

Turn: 2♦ ($2.07, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.99, CO calls $0.99

River: 8♥ ($4.05, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.94, CO raises to $10.68 (all-in), Hero calls $1.92 (all-in), Uncalled bet of $6.82 returned to CO


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

3betting pre-flop is already interesting. Most of the time I would try to keep the pot small out of position.
I would only 3bet bluff if he/she folds a lot on 3bets.
It's villain depended, but if I would go for 3 streets of value I would size it up a little bit of at least half pot on flop and turn to get it in on the river. Now you are committed on the river, but I doubt you beat anything and I would most likely still fold top pair.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

i like preflop and barrel.
the river seems to play best as a check-call, hand seems too weak to shove for value, but villain can have busted FDs and straights, which you don't block.

as played, don't use this river sizing, bet smaller or jam yourself. it seems like you're commited but you should just fold, bluffs are incredibly rare here.


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sebbi51
Joined: 16.01.2008

thanks. that´s exactly the point - i felt like i was commited and at the same time know my hand stands a chance to win as a bluff catcher only...


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

Wouldn't raise this preflop without a read.
As played, I don't mind flop/turn but river is a 1/3 bet and fold to a raise.
You don't want to check and face a halfpot bet and you don't want to check fold.


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

Even 25% on the river


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

it seems to me like villain can have a ton of busted draws here (at least T9 and spades, maybe QT 97 and all that good stuff), while their valuebets are only 8x, AJ and the occasional slowplay. seems like a not difficult check/call under that assumpion.


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

Originally posted by Tomaloc
it seems to me like villain can have a ton of busted draws here (at least T9 and spades, maybe QT 97 and all that good stuff), while their valuebets are only 8x, AJ and the occasional slowplay. seems like a not difficult check/call under that assumpion.

Yes but is the NL5 population good enough to barrel this river with their busted draws. I just think the JK is too weak here and if we x/c river it'll be a losing call long-run.


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

Double-float barrel is a strong line in a 3b pot that i don't see the average reg being cable of making.


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Kruppe
Joined: 20.02.2008

everything other than 3betting is a mistake pre. maybe 3bet bigger.

Originally posted by SDK1987
Now you are committed on the river, but I doubt you beat anything and I would most likely still fold top pair.

either you are committed or you can fold, not both.

postflop size bigger flop/turn or checkcall river


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