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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.01 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 109.2 BB
SB: 318.8 BB
BB: 190.6 BB
UTG: 128.9 BB
MP: 418.7 BB
CO: 102.4 BB

6 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.1 BB) Hero has 8♣ 7♦

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (5.1 BB, 2 players) 6♥ J♠ 5♠
BB checks, Hero bets 2.5 BB, BB calls 2.5 BB

Turn: (10.1 BB, 2 players) 9♣
BB bets 6.8 BB, Hero raises to 28 BB, BB calls 21.2 BB

River: (66.1 BB, 2 players) 8♠
BB bets 34.7 BB, hero, ?

Does this have to be a call since he could potentially be betting with a 7? i just think it's so unlikely someone would just donk after facing a turn check raise with a 7 here.

Edit: just thinking in retrospect the turn donk is an unusual line for any reg/reasonable player to take meaning the river should probably be a call.


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Swish29
Joined: 06.04.2009

Originally posted by DecMate
Edit: just thinking in retrospect the turn donk is an unusual line for any reg/reasonable player to take meaning the river should probably be a call.

I agree that this line is unusual. I disagree with the conclusion. What is bet/calling turn to begin with? It's not like he is going to bet/call a large raise (you did over 4x), with air, will he? Suppose he wanted really hard to plat back, he could do that with 43s, so you beat 3 combos, you split vs 3 combos of 74s and the 7x, but I don't see which 7x he could have.

Imo it's more likely that he has Q7ss/A7ss/QTss/KQss etc. type of hands that wanted to donk turn because for some reason they saw a video about a guy donking good turns for his range and that's it. On the other hand, given your line, you often have a made hand turn, a hand that will dislike seeing a spade river. He could decide to do take this line turn with KQ and decide to donk spades river, knowing that you rarely have a flush. Honestly, it's quite unlikely a NL10 guy will think like that, but if you have a note or a reason to believe that this guy is spewy then you can call. Readless I am folding. That's exploitable I guess, but I would do this fold as an exploit myself: because I think villains will too rarely bluff here. It's not a spot where they decided to turn 6x/5x into a bluff because your range does not like this river, they'd check most of these hands on the turn.


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

Originally posted by Swish29
but I would do this fold as an exploit myself: because I think villains will too rarely bluff here

Yes... And i think i need to get more comfortable folding in spots like this at this limit as you do generally see strong hands not spews in these spots. I'm forever kicking myself but you worded it well, that we're folding as an exploit to a nutted range.

Not that it matters but i did actually fold here.


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