I've got a crush on you (NL10 ZOOM 6MAX AND ABOVE)

Originally posted by sanctus123
AQss for me is fold on the turn.

QQ for me too big bet on the turn. You will never get called from KK or JJ.

Compare bet size from AQss and QQ spots.

I think generally, You are to passive in spots.

How much You Cbet flop, Fold to 3bet and 3bet?

Thanks for the input

QQ if anything i should of bet bigger. We are deep and we want to play for stacks.
AQss i had reads, standard play is to fold here though.
My stats are fine (advice from weazel).
I was actually playing too agro, with a 10% 3bet over 60k+ hands!♠_drink:

yee, 10% 3bet is fine. GL mate.
You might share with your stats just for knowlage and extend the discusion

Ouch ouch and Ouch

OverFold

Okay! Long overdue update.
I've been grinding. Nothing has changed all too much bankroll wise, i've had ups, and downs.
I feel my biggest leak is not over-folding in spots. What i mean by overfolding is spots where we should probably be calling theoretically but in practice it should be a fold, due to population tendencies.

Just to start off, this hand was super sick and i don't think we can fold the river here although who knows. I feel any Jx would play like this. (Super sick runout..!!)

PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.01 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100.1 BB
SB: 158.5 BB
BB: 120.1 BB
UTG: 100.8 BB
MP: 130.7 BB
Hero (CO): 111.6 BB

6 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB[code]

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.1 BB) Hero has J♦ Q♠

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, fold, SB raises to 8.2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 22 BB, SB calls 13.8 BB

Flop: (45.6 BB, 2 players) 2♠ 9♠ 7♠
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (45.6 BB, 2 players) 8♦
SB bets 14.8 BB, Hero calls 14.8 BB

River: (75.2 BB, 2 players) T♣
SB bets 121.6 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 74.7 BB and is all-in

SB shows K♠ A♠ (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 66%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows J♦ Q♠ (Straight, Queen High)
(Pre 34%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
SB wins 214.5 BB

Overfold spot 1:
This is a strange hand. I feel like we're too strong to fold at any point,.. but then the question comes is he shipping anything on the river here that we beat.
The answer is no. And at NL10 zoom,.. perhaps we can even find a fold. Give me your thoughts on this one.

PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.01 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 137.2 BB
SB: 129 BB
BB: 83.5 BB
UTG: 203 BB
MP: 292.4 BB
Hero (CO): 103.5 BB

6 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.1 BB) Hero has Q♣ A♥

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, BTN calls 2.2 BB, SB raises to 8.8 BB, fold, Hero calls 6.6 BB, fold

Flop: (21.4 BB, 2 players) K♥ Q♦ 6♥
SB bets 10.8 BB, Hero calls 10.8 BB

Turn: (43 BB, 2 players) Q♥
SB bets 26.7 BB, Hero calls 26.7 BB

River: (96.4 BB, 2 players) 3♥
SB bets 61 BB, Hero calls 57.1 BB and is all-in

SB shows K♣ K♦ (Full House, Kings full of Queens)
(Pre 72%, Flop 94%, Turn 98%)
Hero shows Q♣ A♥ (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 28%, Flop 6%, Turn 2%)
SB wins 201.1 BB

Overfold spot 2:
This is tricky. We're yet again high up in our value range. I just can't see any hands we beat taking this line, and there aren't enough bluffs... i decide to implement the OverFold.

PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.01 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 258 BB
SB: 103.8 BB
BB: 315.1 BB
Hero (UTG): 116.3 BB
MP: 102.1 BB
CO: 102 BB

6 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.1 BB) Hero has Q♥ A♣

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (10.1 BB, 3 players) Q♣ 2♣ T♦
BB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, BTN calls 4 BB, BB calls 4 BB

Turn: (22.1 BB, 3 players) 7♠
BB checks, Hero bets 13 BB, fold, BB calls 13 BB

River: (48.1 BB, 2 players) A♦
BB bets 32.1 BB, fold

BB wins 45.9 BB
(The comets are overfold spots and superman is my winrate.)

OverFold Spot 3:
This is where i wish i took my own advice. I think i played this really bad, and the river should be a fold all day long... But at the time i decided to give 8 tables of rush a go and made a split decision. (note to self: don't play 8 tables of zoom).
Although this should of been a fold anyway, i think if i had "overfold" in mind then i could of laid this down without a second thought.

PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.01 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 251 BB
SB: 107.6 BB
Hero (BB): 107.7 BB
UTG: 112.9 BB
MP: 154.2 BB
CO: 105.1 BB

6 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.1 BB) Hero has 7♠ 9♠

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.2 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.2 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) 9♥ K♥ 2♠
Hero checks, BTN bets 3.6 BB, Hero calls 3.6 BB

Turn: (12.7 BB, 2 players) 8♠
Hero checks, BTN bets 10.6 BB, Hero calls 10.6 BB

River: (33.9 BB, 2 players) 7♥
Hero checks, BTN bets 28.5 BB, Hero calls 28.5 BB

BTN shows 3♥ 4♥ (Flush, King High)
(Pre 37%, Flop 39%, Turn 20%)
Hero mucks 7♠ 9♠ (Two Pair, Nines and Sevens)
(Pre 63%, Flop 61%, Turn 80%)
BTN wins 86.8 BB

I always like to throw in a hand here and there where i know i played bad, just to keep it down to earth. I do play bad sometimes, and its a work in progress.

This is my graph from the past week (1st of October):

QJ begs the question: why 4bet? this is a simple fold preflop under most circumstances.
#1 and #2: whatever, call. #3 is a fine fold, but calling can't be that bad.

it's not unreasonable to shrug those off as coolers - it seems somewhat unlikely that your opponents would have folded in the same spot.
you can try to soulread the pool (i also used to), but that slope is very slippery...

Spot 0; I call PF, 110 deep vs a small 3bet, but since I think highly of Tomaloc I am reconsidering this ♦ it's probably better to listen to him, you could still defend ~50% of a CO opening range by folding QJo and calling more suited stuff instead of favoring high cards. As played: why do you think any J takes this line? What would any J value? Do you think that people would call a 4bet OOP with KJo/JTo?

Spot 1; Super unpleasant, not sure what bluffs tbh, from villain's POV you could have all fulls except KK/many flushes and he shoves, I don't think he vbets worse, so basically I am saying that he shoves only KK and KQ for value, which is 6 combos. I think in game I am f*ck-calling

Spot 2; Easy call for me, BB could have 98s/XcXc/J9, maybe even vbet AT

Spot 3; I guess he only has the 15 combos of QJ and the 15 of QT that are the main reasonable bluffs hands that we want to see? He could have 25 flushes or so, his sizing is quite large so I guess we're only bluff-catching and he's polarized so we could say that he has 40 combos of value tops with the straights, but it's not guaranteed he bluffs all the missed GS (or barrels with them), and with the backdoor busted FD. I actually think I would have a hard time calling with something else than a flush, meaning someone could bet any 2 vs me. I need to check how much I x/c turn and x/f river actually ♦

How do you 8-table Zoom? Do you play on other sites?

Originally posted by Tomaloc
QJ begs the question: why 4bet? this is a simple fold preflop under most circumstances.
#1 and #2: whatever, call. #3 is a fine fold, but calling can't be that bad.

it's not unreasonable to shrug those off as coolers - it seems somewhat unlikely that your opponents would have folded in the same spot.
you can try to soulread the pool (i also used to), but that slope is very slippery...

4b cus he had high 3b/ft4b.

Yes that's where the profit comes from I'd imagine.
How do you mean with the soul read ?

Originally posted by Swish29

How do you 8-table Zoom? Do you play on other sites?

I only tried it for a couple hours. 4 tables Nl10+nl5 with stars helper on stars.

Originally posted by DecMate

Originally posted by Swish29

How do you 8-table Zoom? Do you play on other sites?

How do you play 8-tables of NLHE cash at all?
I once could 8-table Double-or-Nothing Sit & Goes, because you play them extremely tight.
I can do 3 or 4 max now -- but these days they are often 3 or 4 different games.

I can see 8-tabling full-ring NLHE, but it gets hairy if all 8 are on the cutoff, btn or in the blinds

Cheers,
VS

Originally posted by DecMate
I only tried it for a couple hours. 4 tables Nl10+nl5 with stars helper on stars.

Oh I had absolutely no idea that the table cap was per stake, I thought it was overall. Thanks

@Vorpal:

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
How do you play 8-tables of NLHE cash at all?

It does get pretty dicey, especially with zoom. Wouldn't recommend it! Haha

Originally posted by Swish29
Oh I had absolutely no idea that the table cap was per stake, I thought it was overall. Thanks

Yeah, 8 is the max (I think?) With zoom tables.
It's alot of work to say rakeback is non existent on stars 😭

Really considering switching to another site, ACR looks really good,.. with their deposit bonus it's (apparently) 41% rakeback! Which seems insane!

Originally posted by Swish29
@Vorpal:

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Thanks for the reminder -- I had seen that before.
He was also very selective in the hands he played -- not tight necessarily, since he played lots of hands, but he seemed to be able to size up his opponents quickly.

When I saw him, he was playing STT SNGs

Cheers,
VS

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Okay guys so been pretty busy lately. Haven't been able to play massive volume. I've just switched from Stars to GG, which i'm pleased about so far, it's nice to receive rakeback!

So my current goals are to actually completely and whole-fully brush up on the basics.
I feel like i'm out of touch with alot of basic concepts, pot odds, outs, basic maths. I've been watching some videos and realising that i know nothing. Which is a woeful realisation to come too after such a long period. But i did take a verry long break.

SO this is me throwing my ego into the fire of knowledge, and humbly, slowly build back up into the advanced stuff.
This time i'm doing things right and building a solid foundation before hitting the tables again! ♠_evil:

So i won't be posting hands for abit. But this is a something i need to do if i want to take this poker thing seriously.

GL:s_biggrin:♠_drink:

Keep pushing yourself you'll achieve your goals i'm sure.

Originally posted by DecMate
So i won't be posting hands for abit. But this is a something i need to do if i want to take this poker thing seriously.
GL:s_biggrin:♠_drink:

Why not post those puzzling hands where the "standard" approach seems to be wrong?

Best of luck :gl:,
VS