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Originally posted by vengeance77
It is calculated from a 50 000 hands with 22 VPIP and 3 AF! I doubt someone can win at fast-fold with 30VPIP in long regarding the tightness of the population it will get REKT!
I doubt someone can win with more than 0.65 points/hand ratio and 800hands/h if you are some supermen, but still impossible to reach that! Yes it doesn't allow me to open more than 4 rush&cash tables at the same time!
And they are some things, that are in top5 of all type of leaderboards with some impossible scores and they are doing it every fck day! Like WTF? Seriously?
IDK about Holdem but in PLO, there are guys that minraise very wide ranges (some raise 100%) and minbet on every street regardless of their holding or position or betting lead. Since every raise gives you 3 points and every bet is 2 points, they are making a ton of points.
Originally posted by nsavov
Originally posted by vengeance77
It is calculated from a 50 000 hands with 22 VPIP and 3 AF! I doubt someone can win at fast-fold with 30VPIP in long regarding the tightness of the population it will get REKT!
I doubt someone can win with more than 0.65 points/hand ratio and 800hands/h if you are some supermen, but still impossible to reach that! Yes it doesn't allow me to open more than 4 rush&cash tables at the same time!
And they are some things, that are in top5 of all type of leaderboards with some impossible scores and they are doing it every fck day! Like WTF? Seriously?IDK about Holdem but in PLO, there are guys that minraise very wide ranges (some raise 100%) and minbet on every street regardless of their holding or position or betting lead. Since every raise gives you 3 points and every bet is 2 points, they are making a ton of points.
The way to accumulate points in Rush&Cash is by betting action as you describe.
In Holdem it is based strictly on number of raked hands -- and judging by the rate I get points it is based on the rake, not the number of hands.
Omaha: https://www.promo.ggnetwork-contents.com/omaha-daily-20k-oct
Holdem: https://www.promo.ggnetwork-contents.com/holdem-daily-20k-oct
Rush&Cash: https://www.promo.ggnetwork-contents.com/rush-cash-daily33k-lb
From the Hold'em and Omaha pages
Your rank is determined by the number of raked hands played, and the stake you’re playing at.
Hand points are awarded as above for each of the stake levels.
Based on the Rush&Cash points accumulation methods, and the behaviour nsavovndescribed, it is entirely possible for a player to "buy" the prize.
You cannot play this bad this big volume, because you will get rekt really badly!
1 Detrimantal 12,360.00 7h30m before the end! 16 VPIP! Simple example FISH REG! under 3AF made of min betting post!
Just 1 of the many!
If you feel someone is cheating, please report that to the email Vorpal gave. Or do it in their Discord.
He did 15000 points after all with 16VPIP somehow! They are many others always the same across the leaderboards! I am not really sure are they humans at all!
How for months some sick things are playing 30000 hands everyday at micros rofl! What s sick human can even attempt to do that? WTF!
There was a player a few days ago playing 14 tables of NL5 -- his stack was > 5 on most of them.
I followed him for a bit since he was top of the Hold'em leaderboard at the time -- and on checking the next day he won it.
On the tables where he and I were both playing he had a VPIP between 10 and 20 (can't remember exactly).
Good opponent because he folded a lot to steal, and seemed to be playing fit-or-fold post flop.
For his troubles, he gained an extra $50
So -- if he can do it, why not others?
For myself, I doubt I could keep track of 14 tables at once.
If you're playing VPIP 20, you're pretty much always in 3 hands simultaneously -- or more.
Because they are some formats like rush&cash where the maximum number of tables are fixed 4 in R&C! And I doubt someone can play more hands than me per hour profitable/750/, but let's say that is possible to play up to 800 hands and I doubt it is possible to win with more than 0.6 race points/hand ratio, which means 15 000+ points for 24h is kind of impossible to achieve and it is absolutely impossible to be winning with that bad play for example with 40+VPIP and betting like 90+% of the time on every street! And then I see player winning it with 16VPIP mi betting with higher frequency, but not too much probably not even 3 AF! So WTF? And this is just 1 example all type of leaderboards are full of that kind of things!
Originally posted by vengeance77
Because they are some formats like rush&cash where the maximum number of tables are fixed 4 in R&C! And I doubt someone can play more hands than me per hour profitable/750/, but let's say that is possible to play up to 800 hands and I doubt it is possible to win with more than 0.6 race points/hand ratio, which means 15 000+ points for 24h is kind of impossible
Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Omaha: https://www.promo.ggnetwork-contents.com/omaha-daily-20k-oct
Holdem: https://www.promo.ggnetwork-contents.com/holdem-daily-20k-oct
Rush&Cash: https://www.promo.ggnetwork-contents.com/rush-cash-daily33k-lb
Follow the Rush&Cash links to see how points are awarded in that format.
You get 1 pt if you call a bet
You get 2 pt if you bet or raise
You get 3 pt if you buy insurance
You can get a maximum of 10 pts per hand.
Assume that some random player averages has a VPIP of 20 -- including freeplays to make it easier
According to the lobby NL 5 R&C tables run 200 hands per hour
4 tabling means 800 hands per hour
Playing 20% of hands means 160 pots per hour.
If such a player were to average 5 pts per hand (1 bet and 2 calls + 1 insurance every few hands) they would earn 800 points per hour.
So 18 hours -- but this is superhuman-level playing
The current NL 5 leader has 11,867 points, and is playing 4 tables. At only 1 of the tables is the stack >$5
This might be a spot to try to use short stack strategy since you can buy in for 20BB
Hint: get minimum insurance always. 3pts for really small loss in EV, especially in holdem where the insurance is not a total scam as in PLO.
Leaderboards and rake races have always been full of account sharing. And will never change.
It is up to 200 hands/h! And as 4 tables zoom player, that can play 6 fast/f easy I am telling you I am playing 750h/h at average with 22VPIP and learning 0.55 rp/h with 3AF which is already more than the top line of optimal aggression of 2.8! the biggest your VPIP is and the most you stay in the hand it takes more time! So none with more than 25VPIP and with mentioned by you post flop style cannot even reach 750 h/h theoretically!
Even with your calculations that it will take 18h to play to reach 11500 point, they are things, that are doing more than 15 000, even close to 16 000 points for the 1st place! How the fck this is possible?
If you get min insurance 3 times in the hand/F,T&R/ I doubt someone in the world can win with whatever style it is:). Not to mention that the insurance option isn't accuring that often to make such difference!
The insurance option is total robbery I never saw, worst than that! Calculate it for 100h and you will get huge head ache:D!
I cannot imagine human bean sick enough to play 25-30 000 hands daily every day at micros! You will reach mental institution really quickly:)♦ And I am telling that you as a huge volume player who did many times 120-150k hands monthly!
I cannot imagine human bean playing close to 1 mil hands monthly!
Originally posted by Kyyberi
Leaderboards and rake races have always been full of account sharing. And will never change.
+1
@vengeance77:
Noone said they win pre rakeback. But i quess they make some profit after getting the LB money + some FB RB. Otherwise no sense to put in the wolume like that.
Hello! I have a massive problem with the way that rake is not transparent at GG. I had a session last week where I looked at my balance before and after the session and compared it to the amount I made according to the EV graph (without rake as i found out). If the numbers are correct i would have payed almost 30 % (!!!) in rake.
Unfortunately the GG support hast not replied to any of my support requests for over 6 days. Not the kind of support I had hoped for...
Rake is high at small stakes, but it's high everywhere. Probably you just haven't paid attention to it before. Not sure what Holdem rake is, but in PLO 15bb/100 is normal rake at small stakes in every site. That means 1,5 buyins for 1000 hands session.