6Max, massive value bet on turn and then he shoves on the scare card

Why you are betting more than 3 times pot on the turn?
Normal I would just go for 3 streets of value with the straight with around half pot Cbet on every street.

Cheers,
SDK1987

Hero goes pfffff

good one!

OOR check/call for bluff induce?!

There a too many hand he could have, I call here, but I go "pffff" myself!

Originally posted by SDK1987
Why you are betting more than 3 times pot on the turn?
Normal I would just go for 3 streets of value with the straight with around half pot Cbet on every street.

Cheers,
SDK1987

To charge EXTRA against draws. These surcharges varies depending on which region you are from.

Originally posted by Incog

Hero goes pfffff

good one!

OOR check/call for bluff induce?!

There a too many hand he could have, I call here, but I go "pffff" myself!

So now I ask myself the question why he didn't raise on flop with a set?

If you check that river, to induce bluffs, you also have to do the bluff catch thing.. 😁

Either you check call. Or you bet- fold/call depending on reads.
No other options.

Originally posted by marcvz
If you check that river, to induce bluffs, you also have to do the bluff catch thing.. 😁

Either you check call. Or you bet- fold/call depending on reads.
No other options.

Yeah, I hear you.

River: (118.46 BB, 2 players) T♥
Hero checks, BTN bets 70.82 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 70.82 BB

Vs unknown your overbet turn is a prayer ♦

As played there are many busted 98-Q9, fd... Close your eyes and call
If he had only two pair that improved your mistake was bet on the turn.

If you made a big bet is for shove or check call river no ♦
Vs spade with K:s is sick

Originally posted by Dr1fter808

Originally posted by SDK1987
Why you are betting more than 3 times pot on the turn?
Normal I would just go for 3 streets of value with the straight with around half pot Cbet on every street.

Cheers,
SDK1987

To charge EXTRA against draws. These surcharges varies depending on which region you are from.

Okay. I expect most villains knowing what they are doing on NL50 and this way I would expect all draws would fold the turn, but I have no experience on NL50 or higher

Originally posted by SDK1987

Originally posted by Dr1fter808

Originally posted by SDK1987
Why you are betting more than 3 times pot on the turn?
Normal I would just go for 3 streets of value with the straight with around half pot Cbet on every street.

Cheers,
SDK1987

To charge EXTRA against draws. These surcharges varies depending on which region you are from.

Okay. I expect most villains knowing what they are doing on NL50 and this way I would expect all draws would fold the turn, but I have no experience on NL50 or higher

Maybe this is inappropriate generalising. But I think every limit has there flock of Russians 😁

Originally posted by marcvz

Originally posted by SDK1987

Originally posted by Dr1fter808

Originally posted by SDK1987
Why you are betting more than 3 times pot on the turn?
Normal I would just go for 3 streets of value with the straight with around half pot Cbet on every street.

Cheers,
SDK1987

To charge EXTRA against draws. These surcharges varies depending on which region you are from.

Okay. I expect most villains knowing what they are doing on NL50 and this way I would expect all draws would fold the turn, but I have no experience on NL50 or higher

Maybe this is inappropriate generalising. But I think every limit has there flock of Russians 😁

Yes!! It was either Russia or Slovenia.

Okay. If villains calling with draws on huge turn bets I wouldn't mind it, but you expect that more on the lower limits I guess or people likes to donate money to you

Originally posted by SDK1987
Okay. If villains calling with draws on huge turn bets I wouldn't mind it, but you expect that more on the lower limits I guess or people likes to donate money to you

Well, this villain in particular tanked so long on turn before calling that I didn't know you can tank THAT long at PS but then on river he did not take his time to act. For this reason, I believe his plan to shove on river was concocted during turn and having seen his bluff outs hit on river naturally he went all in rather quickly once I did check it him. So, I'm glad that I did not bet into him on river.

I think we can pay it off even if he has a boat on river because then that would mean that he disguised his set well on flop should he have played it that way. It is a risky line, yes, but sometimes it pays off as long as opponent's range and run out complies.

I really like his thinking process here. It is always good to have a plan.

I very like your turn overbet. We have more KQ combos here. It was very nice though. You went for max EV on turn.
We can increase our EV when we pick the right pots for overbets. Especially on the river... Because there is no draw EQ against our hand.
But when you think that opponent fold to much for your overbets on turn and rive, you can bet more with normal size for value and bluff more with overbets. But you need very strong read for that.
And people are calling too much against bets on micro and small stakes. Not everybody, but most of them... So you can be very relentless with this overbet weapen.

Originally posted by Laci24
I very like your turn overbet. We have more KQ combos here. It was very nice though. You went for max EV on turn.
We can increase our EV when we pick the right pots for overbets. Especially on the river... Because there is no draw EQ against our hand.
But when you think that opponent fold to much for your overbets on turn and rive, you can bet more with normal size for value and bluff more with overbets. But you need very strong read for that.
And people are calling too much against bets on micro and small stakes. Not everybody, but most of them... So you can be very relentless with this overbet weapen.

Thanks bro. Yeah, so with an over bet called on turn the villain has more incentives to bluff river also after missing on draws which is almost like a double edged sword, first you charged the hell out it and then you make him bluff all his chips away.

Originally posted by Incog

Hero goes pfffff

good one!

OOR check/call for bluff induce?!

There a too many hand he could have, I call here, but I go "pffff" myself!

I've never tried "pffff" -- does it help?
I can report that "aw crap" definitely does not.