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Hi,
this is first time i post a for review. Initally i thought i played this hand optimally. But then later started thinking that maybe i wasnt cause multiple people entered the flop some had like 400bb stacks. Now i dont know much about GTO, but i would be interested to know if the way i played was GTO optimal. I mean i have seen supreme leader Doug Polk instead of going all agro just check and call with a set if there is flush draw on the flop.

All villains who entered the pot are
(hands)VPIP/PFR/AGG
MP (429)29/0/1.4
SB (734)49/21/1.4
BB (179)49/21/1.2

PokerStars - €0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

SB: €20.55 (411 bb)
BB: €10.96 (219.2 bb)
UTG: €7.59 (151.8 bb)
MP: €4.87 (97.4 bb)
CO: €16.31 (326.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): €9.56 (191.2 bb)

SB posts €0.02, BB posts €0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.07) Hero has 8♣: 8♥:
fold, MP calls €0.05, fold, Hero raises to €0.30, SB calls €0.28, BB calls €0.25, MP calls €0.25

Flop: (€1.20, 4 players) A♣: 4♣: 8♦:
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets €1.70, fold, BB calls €1.70, fold

Turn: (€4.60, 2 players) J♠:
BB checks, Hero bets €7.56 and is all-in, BB calls €7.56

River: (€19.72, 2 players) K♣:

Results: €19.72 pot (€0.75 rake)
Final Board: A♣: 4♣: 8♦: J♠: K♣:

BB shows J♣: Q♣:: (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 49%, Flop 26%, Turn 18%)

Hero shows 8♣: 8♥:: (Three of a Kind, Eights)
(Pre 51%, Flop 74%, Turn 82%)

BB wins €18.97

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I ran preflop through Equilab:


       Equity     Win     Tie
MP3    17.30%  16.56%   0.73% { random }
BU     31.43%  31.20%   0.23% { 8h8c }
SB     17.30%  16.56%   0.73% { random }
BB     33.98%  33.20%   0.78% { QcJc }

I don really know what these numbers mean yeat but it says here QJs has more equity

Flop equilab:

Board: A♣4♣8♦
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP3     2.96%   2.88%   0.08% { random }
BU     68.15%  68.14%   0.01% { 8h8c }
SB      2.96%   2.88%   0.08% { random }
BB     25.93%  25.91%   0.02% { QcJc }

Turn:

Board: A♣4♣8♦ J♠
       Equity     Win     Tie
BU     81.82%  81.82%   0.00% { 8h8c }
BB     18.18%  18.18%   0.00% { QcJc }


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I have moved your hand to our NLHE hand discussion forum. There fits it better.
I would normal Cbet for 3 streets like half pot. Not sure why you over betting here.
To bad villain is over playing a draw and get lucky on the river.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

I wouldn't overbet unless you know there's bad players who'll call wide. That being said, overbetting here isnt bad or wrong. It's actually fine. Big hand big pot.
I don't mind the turn shove. It looks bluffy and we want the stacks in with this hand. This isn't an overplay and is a viable option here, although the flop overbet vs 3 players looks incredibly nutted and the question is will players be bad enough to call wide here.


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In case if u bet half top flop and turn. what do u do when river completes the flush draw and no full house possible and

a) villain checks SB. do u still bet half a pot on river?
b) villain bets big on river SB OOP, do u call or go all in
c) villain checks, u bet half pot, villain raises all in. do u fold?


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maniac
Joined: 29.03.2006

A) yes
B) Does he donk? If he is a maniac call if not fold
C) same as B but cr river is value. Just fold


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