Zoom SH - BTN vs BB - River overbet bluff and some psychology

I'm no fan of bluffing on NL2, but if I would do it on the river a bet of 15c could work as well. A over bet looks more like a bluff I think and with a smaller sizing it's cheaper to do it.

Cheers,
SDK1987

No I was (semi)bluffing way too often apparently. But I guess I am trying to find the borderline. What bluffs are appropriate and which not. I still think you can bluff some, especially in zoom!! At normal tables it's a bit different/

There is really difference between normal tables and large pool zoom. Well I guess mainly the meta-game.

what is like about your play is, that you have detected weakness and thus a good spot to bluff.

what i do not like is, that you do not think about your own range.

when you bluff here w a random hand, your value to bluff ratio will be out of the roof.

you have to make sure, that you use the same line w value hands and that you block those w your bluffs.

so if you would check back the turn w some K♦X:diamond: hands, and if you would overbet them for value,

then i would love that bluff w K♦Xo type of hands.

Originally posted by Pokamon
what i do not like is, that you do not think about your own range.

Well, 2 things: I did think about it a little bit: I thought I can have all this sht easily as far as he is concerned :f_biggrin:. And 2: A lot of unkowns opponent really cannot hand-read and only vagely put me on a range, like he raised preflop so he very well could have something good here with high cards or a flush.

when you bluff here w a random hand, your value to bluff ratio will be out of the roof.

you have to make sure, that you use the same line w value hands and that you block those w your bluffs.

Normally yes, on regular tables or against regular opponents. I would never make this bluff against regs because I WOULD bet all good flushdraws which also have a straightdraw and they know that, and that's why I wouldn't do it vs reg or on normal table.

But yeah the point you make about having blockers makes a lot of sense. I've been hearing a lot about that lately, but now it really sinks in. I am not always making this bluff, so when I do it, at least I should choose an occation when I have blocker(s). Thinking about blockers is something new for me really.

So you thought me something today that will change my game, it brings another dimension to it. Give me some percentage more foldequity when I do bluff. Might be a small %, but it's a game of small edges. So thank you for that Pokamon!

Blockers do create bit of difference on fold equity when bluffing etc. But other more important aspect is about bluffing frequencies. So when we choose bluff combo by blocking villain call/raise range or we unblock villain fold range we don't end overbluffing as easily.

For unblocking folding range one example case is flush draws. Depending of spot I often two barrel flush draws but rarely triple barrel those on river. Exception could be if I block straight, two pair or if my hand is so low that it's not really blocking villain flush draws. E.g. we open BU with 56s and SB call. SB should not have much of 5x or 6x hands in general.

In some spots I like to use bottom of my range hands as bluffs. Common case is if there is four flush cards on board or some 4789T type four straight on board. As in those case you can't block strong made hands that much without actually having that hand

Originally posted by ghaleon
Blockers do create bit of difference on fold equity when bluffing etc. But other more important aspect is about bluffing frequencies. So when we choose bluff combo by blocking villain call/raise range or we unblock villain fold range we don't end overbluffing as easily.

I see. It's hard to achieve a certain frequency with something by guestimating. I've heard players talking about doing certain things based on the suits ... like bluffing somewhere with T9s, but if they want 50% frequency they only do it with spades and clubs for example.

Is this a common thing then to do or are there other/better ways to keep your frequencies in check?
Not that I think about frequencies yet (maybe in some vague way a little bit).

Now that I write this I guess they have randomizers ... you couldn't use that live probably but online of course you can.

In some spots I like to use bottom of my range hands as bluffs. Common case is if there is four flush cards on board or some 4789T type four straight on board. As in those case you can't block strong made hands that much without actually having that hand

Ha I guess that's true =).