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KJo BB defend vs. CO OR -

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Tom3kk
Joined: 06.08.2005

GG Poker - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 16.08 BB
MP: 98.08 BB
CO: 118.96 BB
BTN: 112.2 BB
SB: 104.56 BB
Hero (BB): 126.8 BB
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♦ J♠

UTG raises to 2 BB, MP calls 2 BB, CO calls 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (8.4 BB, 4 players) 5♠ K♣ 3♣
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO bets 6.32 BB, Hero calls 6.32 BB, fold, fold

Turn: (21.04 BB, 2 players) J♣
Hero checks, CO bets 21.04 BB, Hero raises to 118.48 BB and is all-in, CO calls 89.6 BB and is all-in

River: (242.32 BB, 2 players) 6♥

Hero shows K♦ J♠ (Two Pair, Kings and Jacks)
(Pre 61%, Flop 50%, Turn 9%)
CO shows 8♣ 5♣ (Flush, King High)
(Pre 39%, Flop 50%, Turn 91%)
CO wins 233.32 BB

Hi Guys. I called the cbet easily and hit two pair on the T. He bet pot size which let me grasp thoroughly about his hand.
I thought he may have AK or KQ with the club, or a set 5s or 3s. I have not expected a flush on the T.

Therefore, I decided to raise him for value. What do you think about this play? How would you play this hand differently?

Thanks
Thomas


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EmiyaKiritsugu
Joined: 13.08.2013

In general people are way more honest in multiway. It means that his big bet on flop is significantly stronger if you were in heads up pot. Now you hit 2pair on turn, but after his pot bet you shouldnt be too happy. He has a lot of flushes as people love to overcall pretty suited hands. Your hand is only bluffcatcher there - raising should be out of question - I dont see anything you gain by shoving there. You have two options - call or fold. I would prefer folding this as we have only 4 outs against flush , but I can understand calling there too.


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SamoB25
Joined: 02.10.2009

It's a tricky hand for sure - I would probably end up calling his bets to the river, hating myself along the way, knowing he most likely has the flush


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Real question is why we don't assume flush to be in villain range as open post would suggest. Basically to me it's spot where most of villain value range should be flushes for pot size bet. Betting pot with set would be weird decision.

Giving villain bluffs on turn is actually quite tough. If he has top pair with club there is fair chance that he would check. AcQs type are very unlikely concidering flop bet in 4way pot. Using some As4s or 64s as turn pot would be sort of ballsy. So I think I would prefer folding turn.


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Casey55
Joined: 19.07.2010

Against a polarized large bet you don't really want to be doing much raising at all. what are the nuts on the board? Flushes basically. I'm not loving the spot but I would probably call turn. Maybe villain can be betting a worse two pair, maybe over-playing KQ and we have 4 outs.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Any info on the villain in this hand would be nice. Read less I would consider to fold the flop already. Top pair medium kicker is only a bluff catcher and villain shouldn't bluff against 3 villains. Only a semi bluff maybe.

Turn is tricky, but shoving is burning money and if you call the turn you most likely face a shove on the river. Against a unknown you beat only top pair or weaker 2 pair. Both combinations shouldn't bet so much I think.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009

What is calling the shove right? Looks like you assume any flushdraw or Kx just top pair will call the 2.5xpot overshove. This is only the case if he is a really big fish who is just gambling. On the flop all check to him, he bets 2/3 pot 4way, gets one call. Then Turn comes which brings in the flush (which looks like YOU can easily have), he bets the pot in position. In position he can decide if he wants to bet or not, or just take a free card.

So you put him on bluff with a flushdraw pretty much that will call your shove, or AK right, maybe KQ.
On the other end, I think it is a biiiit difficult to fold two pairs here without much info. I think I would maybe call turn and fold river.... I just don't see much calling you here, he has shown a lot of strength so he has either a strong hand or?

Anyways, tough hand. He looks strong indeed to me and if he's really fishy, you still beat K5, K3, J3, J5, 53...


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