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Garrett vs Wesley set over set

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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Sort of interesting hand I watched on youtube moment ago. I dont know history of these players like is Wesley known to overplay stuff heavily? Was very surprised the way Garrett chooses to play his hand postflop.

Hand starts at 22:05 timestamp:

I gave this comment on YT as my opinion for this hand:

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"Actually bit surprised Garrett goes for 3bet on flop. Sure hand is very often good but makes me wonder how many weaker hands you really expect to give action super deep stacked. Wesley must be overplaying hands heavily for this to be good. For that reason I would not be surprised if Wesley is thinking of folding. But issue on that is also would JJ play like that preflop. Though at this point I have forgotten what was done preflop if it was shown.

Turn is actually bit nasty for Wesley because I would assume Garrett semibluff range improves there sometimes. Again river allin require some big big hero call stuff to be good imo. Like is Wesley calling JT on flop when facing bet and raise in 4way pot AND then calling big 3bet... J5? Pretty unlikely combo. Crazy games it seems. I agree on Wesley overplay comment. Especially even more so when turn complete some of potential semibluffs. I mean have flop with fd and ranges widen and this would be totally different. But heavy action on rainbow fairly disconnected flop, multiway with super deep stacks. Set over set is not surprise setup anymore. But yeah its nice to be bit careful on how you comment on opponent play afterward :) "

Just wondering if I am just nit in here.


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

With the dynamic that they had in these very high stakes even at those stack sizes, I think the hand was played correctly especially after Wesley checks on river, Wesley's plan to check/raise, check/call, or check/fold was a bit mirky because he is still kind of new to no limit holdem but he did come to an understanding that after checking that river he must now make the call so that's pretty impressive stuff.


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

it's not a real flop 3bet, it's kind of like a regular raise, the initial bet was so tiny (1/6 pot)
wesley's flop play is whatever, he can't really 4bet there (as he never has bluffs)

Turn check from Garrett is fine, he probably doesn't think he has 3 streets of value once the straight draw completes

River: Once again very hard for wesley to balance air hands and strong hands, so maybe check all is fine? And garrett may delay bluff sometimes. I'm sure there's some dynamic where garrett takes this line with air that's why it made sense for wesley to slowplay again.


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Fredjen
Joined: 28.05.2008

I've been watching the streams on regular basis. Garreth is known for big river overbets (balanced obv) and Wesley is just starting to play for a couple of months (but is crypto millionaire...).

They were looking for Wesley the whole show (also some where a bit frustrated because his direct and sometimes rude comments). But he was running sunhot, It got him from 10k to about 200k that session :)


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Ah yeah I actually missed that donk bet size was that small. Does change spot bit more sensible. Still feel optimistic line with bottom set but depends of opponent call tendencies.


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