QQ87ds preflop overplayed?

I would just call pre flop.

I am wondering, if we need something like QQT9ds or even stronger stuff like QQJTds to 3bet here?

Or am I just a nit?

Because thing is, that it is very likely, that we will play 3way spot, so we need better connectivity I guess?

But I am really just guessing here, as I am learning preflop ranges myself.

As played, vs 4bet, I think it is a fold, as people will 4bet very nutted hands (unless we have some sort of a read).

But anyway, let's see what more skillful players think of this spot.

I could potentially squeeze like some of the AQQx or QQJJds type combos. We don't really want to play these that aggro as we close action with call and most QQxx combos can't profitably continue versus 4bet. Even hand like QQJTds is very marginal to call I think.

As played we have to call flop but not really spot we want to be in. Reality though is that we fairly rarely hit better than this.

that is why i wonder if 4betting AQQds & KQQds is the way to go because we block AA/KK/AK combos and therefore see 4bets less often!? we even have some more hope postflop then to call the last bet…

Originally posted by efkay
that is why i wonder if 4betting AQQds & KQQds is the way to go because we block AA/KK/AK combos and therefore see 4bets less often!? we even have some more hope postflop then to call the last bet…

You probably made typo here and meant 3betting those hands?

Hand like AQQTds is viable to 4bet and one of big ideas is to get KKxx to fold. But of course in small stake games KKxx might not be folding anyway. For 3betting those hands its bit less of point but of course A does block AA which make 4bet lot less likely. In theory again weak and mediocre KKxx should actually fold lot to 3bets also but that happens very rarely I would say.

Also one big thing is of course how wide open raiser range is. In general versus EP or MP I am much more careful with 3bets than CO or BU.

yes i meant 3betting.
and yes, AQQds is a good 3bet because we block AA/AKcombos that would 4bet.
wondered if that applies for KQQds also?

99% of 4bets at small stakes are AA. Very rare people 4bet AKxx. And very few fold KK to 4bet.

To squeeze here I would need to have connected ds AQQx. Meaning x is 9+. But the EV of a 3bet and call ia probably quite close, we don't NEED to 3bet QQ hands that much at small stakes. Also QQ without suited Ace creates domination problems on most flops. If you flop an overpair + flush draw, opponents stack off range has usually good equity vs you as higher flush draw has an over card to your pair too. You don't dominate your opponents range as often with higher pair and higher flush draw.

I would not squeeze this hand vs unknowns but if you knew that MP is opening very wide from MP or SB is a big whale I'd go for it