AQo OOP 3bet Pot

how much I have to C-bet approx.

Between 1/2 pot and 3/4 pot its player and board dependant, position also plays into it.

or can C-bet at all

Yes, cbet here. BTN range is wide here and likely missed

which turn card I can often barrel on

There is nuance to what i will say here but i think its a good general starting point. You want to barrel on scare cards mostly, which will differ on board texture. You also need to pay attention to how often V peels flop and folds to turn bet, that allows you to double barrel more. Similar to my first point, think about how the turn card effects the texture versus V's range.

With this hand the turn card is a J, it does very little to change the story. Yes, sets are now full houses, but its nothing that would change the betting action, what bet the flop for value should really still bet the turn for value, what x'ed should still x

Hopefully if that all made sense and you apply it to this hand we can be pretty confident V had a weak range here, why? Because the J on the turn hasn't changed the value of any hands, if V is x'ing flop but betting turn it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Most likely air or a weak mid-pair hand.

Remember 3bet pot is nothing special, flop, turn and river all have the same thinking as SRP, the V's range just gets tighter!

Any info on villains his/her fold to Cbet stats? If villian folds a lot on Cbets around half pot Cbet is big enough.

Cheers,
SDK1987

Originally posted by bumblebtuna

how much I have to C-bet approx.

Between 1/2 pot and 3/4 pot its player and board dependant, position also plays into it.

or can C-bet at all

Yes, cbet here. BTN range is wide here and likely missed

which turn card I can often barrel on

There is nuance to what i will say here but i think its a good general starting point. You want to barrel on scare cards mostly, which will differ on board texture. You also need to pay attention to how often V peels flop and folds to turn bet, that allows you to double barrel more. Similar to my first point, think about how the turn card effects the texture versus V's range.

With this hand the turn card is a J, it does very little to change the story. Yes, sets are now full houses, but its nothing that would change the betting action, what bet the flop for value should really still bet the turn for value, what x'ed should still x

Hopefully if that all made sense and you apply it to this hand we can be pretty confident V had a weak range here, why? Because the J on the turn hasn't changed the value of any hands, if V is x'ing flop but betting turn it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Most likely air or a weak mid-pair hand.

Remember 3bet pot is nothing special, flop, turn and river all have the same thinking as SRP, the V's range just gets tighter!

What would be your tip after I flop c-bet on the turn? Check/Call? Do you think that's worth it?

Originally posted by SDK1987
Any info on villains his/her fold to Cbet stats? If villian folds a lot on Cbets around half pot Cbet is big enough.

Cheers,
SDK1987

I don't know if 3k hands is enough sample size for a meaningful FoldtoCbet.

It's V dependent wether to cbet or not but i will cbet most likely like 1/3. Flop is semi dry i dont think you need bigger sizing.

Remember 3bet pot is nothing special

Disagree. The psychology changes. Players tend to like much more their hands in 3bet pots than in single raised because of the SPR. This make them susceptible to call down a bit lighter. Especially the undisciplined recreationals. We can exploit this to our advantage.

Originally posted by AcesUTGFoldWhat would be your tip after I flop c-bet on the turn? Check/Call? Do you think that's worth it?

If you miss the hand like this OOP I don't like the idea of playing it passively, you have air and you're unlikely to win at showdown. If I think I can get a hand like TT to fold on the river I'd barrel here and the river. If I don't think I can get a hand like TT to fold I think you're better off just giving up, we're out of position on a not so great board to start bluffing on.

All that said if V is the type to peel the flop a lot with AXs type hands, but I don't think I can get them to fold TT by the river I think theres a good argument to bet turn and give up on the river too.

But we're not x'ing turn with intention to call.

Originally posted by NapoleonBonaparte135

Remember 3bet pot is nothing special

Disagree. The psychology changes. Players tend to like much more their hands in 3bet pots than in single raised because of the SPR. This make them susceptible to call down a bit lighter. Especially the undisciplined recreationals. We can exploit this to our advantage.

Yeh I can agree with that! And I think that feeds into the standard decision making process which is what I was saying is nothing special (or doesn't really change) in a 3bet pot e.g. what is their range, will they call my bet with worse, can I get them to fold a better hand, how does the turn card effect board texture, how does it effect V's range, how does it effect my perceived range, etc.

I think that decision tree stays the same, would you agree or am I missing something? And I'm asking to learn, not be disrespectful.

Yes. The questions remain the same but the answers would be diffrent in 3bet pots.

not be disrespectful.

You clearly dont understand what i am talking about. It's bad etiquette by the member who post the hand to argue with the other ones. We can argue with each other as long as we want.

Originally posted by AcesUTGFold

Originally posted by SDK1987
Any info on villains his/her fold to Cbet stats? If villian folds a lot on Cbets around half pot Cbet is big enough.

Cheers,
SDK1987

I don't know if 3k hands is enough sample size for a meaningful FoldtoCbet.

It gives a decent indication for sure.