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Overpair BxB: 4bet or fold OTF?

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Paraibuda
Joined: 24.08.2022

Pacific Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 188.4 BB
BB: 101.5 BB
CO: 132 BB
BTN: 122.8 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9♥ 9♣

fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, BB raises to 12 BB, Hero calls 8 BB

Flop: (24 BB, 2 players) 2♥ 6♣ 8♥
Hero checks, BB bets 7 BB, Hero raises to 21 BB, BB raises to 44.1 BB

Spoiler

, fold

BB wins 62.7 BB

V is 21/19 with a 3bet% of 17 in 138 hands.

PF: my standard size of RFI from the SB is 4x, then I adapt to BB calling/3betting frequency.
I saw a chart (from Jonathan Little) that shows you should limp-raise with 99. I haven't adopted such strategy because I'm not sure I have the competency to read different V ranges and know where I'm at in that level yet, so I keep it simple.
As played, I don't think 99 is good enough for a 4bet, so I call. (I'd 4bet wider - AQ, JJ, A4s - against this opponent that seems to 3bet a lot, but 99 seems like a stretch)

F: check-raise: I wanted to deny equity, get calls from A8, 87, 98 and FD.
When he 3 bets, I'm not sure I'm good there. He might have sets (88, maybe 66) and TT+. Would he 3bet with a FD?
All the cards to come OTT are awful for me, except a 9, so I don't think it makes a lot of sense to call and reevaluate the turn.
So, I don't think he has enough bluffs for me to call him down, specially when all the cards to come are either indifferent or better for his range, but if I 4bet-shove I don't think he's calling with anything worse (maybe nut FD?). So fold seems to be a good option.

Maybe with the 9h I should've just called the flop? Idk.

What do you think?


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

RFI to 4BB is fine. Mine is 3BB but sometimes I will make it a little bigger like 3.4BB. We do this to make BB pay for position.

As played, in general the 99 is played for stacks SB vs BB on this board texture for 100BBESS. In your shoes, I would look for timing tell on the flop re-raise of the villain. Not saying that I think that I can fold 99 here.

You made a pretty tight fold here but it is probably a small mistake.

If you have a very good read of your opponent then, I guess that counts as a viable option as well.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I don't really see a point in raising the flop with the worst over pair.
This is a spot you are in front against flush draws, but far behind against better pairs or sets.
Now you need to fold against the small 3bet on the flop with 2 outs to improve.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

I think similar how SDK1987 I don't see reason for check-raise here, every better overpair call or shove on flop vs high flush draw You have coin flip and when You check-raise here You throw potential bluffs and probably hands like for example AhXx.


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mkBISCUIT
Joined: 19.01.2018

pre raise to big- stick with 2.2x-3x ppl are more likely to call with weaker hands pre then. The bigger your preflop raise the more condensed villain calling ranges become.

Flop- i kind of don't mind a donk bet. if you want to do something different, C/R.. no no no. your bloating a pot where villain has so many more over pairs.
I do believe the best play would be check call, see what happens on turn. you block flush draws, you have a BDstr8 draw.


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Originally posted by mkBISCUIT
pre raise to big- stick with 2.2x-3x ppl are more likely to call with weaker hands pre then. The bigger your preflop raise the more condensed villain calling ranges become.

Flop- i kind of don't mind a donk bet. if you want to do something different, C/R.. no no no. your bloating a pot where villain has so many more over pairs.
I do believe the best play would be check call, see what happens on turn. you block flush draws, you have a BDstr8 draw.

Do you actually fold 99 here?


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mkBISCUIT
Joined: 19.01.2018

after getting min, clicked back- i think you need to call, but i think you are in for a lot of pain THO.


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

I was up against a tag here.

GG Poker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
Hero (SB): 127.56 BB
BB: 124.88 BB
UTG: 211.88 BB
MP: 304.76 BB
CO: 127.16 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9♣ 9♠

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero raises to 23.04 BB, BB raises to 124.88 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 101.84 BB

Flop: (249.76 BB, 2 players) 6♠ 8♣ 2♠

Turn: (249.76 BB, 2 players) 6♣

River: (249.76 BB, 2 players) 5♠

Players agreed to run it twice.

Flop #2: (249.76 BB, 2 players) 3♠ 4♦ 8♦

Turn #2: (249.76 BB, 2 players) 4♠

River #2: (249.76 BB, 2 players) Q♣

BB shows A♥ K♥ (One Pair, Sixes)
Board #1 (Pre 48%, Flop 22%, Turn 14%)
(One Pair, Fours)
Board #2 (Pre 53%, Flop 28%, Turn 15%)

Hero shows 9♣ 9♠ (Two Pair, Nines and Sixes)
Board #1 (Pre 52%, Flop 78%, Turn 86%)
(Two Pair, Nines and Fours)
Board #2 (Pre 47%, Flop 72%, Turn 85%)

Hero wins 122.68 BB
Hero wins 122.64 BB

I don't know at what percentage I am 4bet calling in these spots but I imagine it must be more than 50% or something. Anyone?


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