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PLO25 AT88ss 3way 3bet flop, how to play nut boat?

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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

BB is maniac type. Very stab happy versus checks postflop and very wide preflop ranges. CO cant remember any strong reads. My image is on tight side as my deck had been pretty cold.

So preflop and flop very standard. Would not have any lead range especially with EP range.

I think on turn versus BB lead we want to mainly call as I assumed villain to have ton of air and what I had seen he is going to bet river often. But yeah small raise could also make sense. CO goes for raise now which could perhaps be just overpair or just some bluff as bet might look weak and my call probably look like some KK, QQ, straight draw. BB does call so he likely has trips or straight draw. Maybe plain overpair sometimes. I decided to just ship it as I had seen BB to overplay quite a bit postflop. So if he has trips he is probably not folding.

But I think it would make more sense to perhaps 3bet small. Basically anything I do should look strong. If calling I dont think CO will try to bluff or value with overpair. Protection is not big deal but I think there is still bit of value as its quite plausible for both villains to have overpair. One side in calling or small 3bet I can see is to keep BB more often in with some straight draw that he might overplay on river. Though I would say small 3bet would potentially look even stronger than shove to my eyes.

On river SPR is 2 versus CO and 4 versus BB.

Game #1933881305: Table €25 PL - 0.10/0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha - 17:46:27 2023/08/21
Seated players
Seat 1: AZ-oreg (€12.25)
Seat 2: Logic_Bomb (€97.83)
Seat 3: Villuu (€38.67)
Seat 4: laszbe (€99.83)
Seat 5: PLS_FOLD (€20.82)
Seat 6: VincentLaw (€73.46)
Blinds and button
VincentLaw has the button
AZ-oreg posts small blind €0.10
Logic_Bomb posts big blind €0.25
Hole cards
Dealt to Villuu 8♠:A♦:8♦:T♥:
Preflop
Villuu raises €0.85 to €0.85
laszbe folds
PLS_FOLD raises €2.90 to €2.90
VincentLaw folds
AZ-oreg folds
Logic_Bomb calls €2.65
Villuu calls €2.05
Flop 8♥:2♦:5♣: (8.8€)
Logic_Bomb checks
Villuu checks
PLS_FOLD checks
Turn 2♠: (8.8€)
Logic_Bomb bets €2.20
Villuu calls €2.20
PLS_FOLD raises €6.05 to €6.05
Logic_Bomb calls €3.85
Villuu raises €30.80 to €33
PLS_FOLD folds
Logic_Bomb folds


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I would consider to bet for value on the flop with in mind the 3better checked.
The turn play seems standard. To bad both players folding in the end.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

It’s a good board to donk bet . In 3 way pot it often goes check around. Flop is actual to start bluffing . Only thing can slow down us on the turn if the straight comes. In that case probably we need to check or bet get it in . If it goes check check on the turn and the straight completely comes , it’s a fold . Otherwise it’s an easy velue bet


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

I dont think it should go checked that often as CO only have SPR 2. Flop is not really connecting much with anyones range. Normally extremely little with BB cold call range though might not apply to this particulat fellow. Perhaps I still have most strong stuff but its still pretty small amount of my range from EP that connect with 852r. So I dont really like leading that much.

Well of course CO likely just checks plain overcard stuff but I think he should pot most overpairs at least with any sort of interaction with flop.


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

You cant win big pot if You let him bet . Than You follow You have a super strong hand.you only win one street Velue. By betting You can bluff sometimes and win the spot in simular situations.

Do You have a leading range here? Therefor you need nuts in your range as well to balance.


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PakerFace
Joined: 19.09.2010

I would check the flop to the pre flop aggressor and let him do the betting as played. I would just call on the turn though. There's only one hand that beats you which is 22xx and that would bet on the flop anyways so it's very unlikely. Then on the river you would probably face a bet again which you could raise AI and if not pot it yourself.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Probably I would not lead flop ever at least when SPR is that low versus 3bettor. Such small portion of my range connect to this flop that range check seems good to me.

It's different story potentially if we open CO or BU and face 3bet and cold call. In that spot it's lot easier for me to have low rundowns and such.

Issue with turn call imo is that I don't really think CO will continue to barrel as bluff or for value without really strong hand in river. Even nut trips might just check when two opponents have shown lot of strength. Now there is still some merit in call in form of BB improving and quite possibly ending to overplay. So just calling and perhaps leading river could be good.


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

You can have Some Draw , 2 pair, pair + Draw and set. Some total air or one pair hand that has enough equity if he push . Expect the total air. You can also lead KKxx in my opinion, but im not sure. If he bets flop this pot is done . He Might stack off AA but he does not fold this hand to half pot donk and its multyway. In two way pot i prefer check call, but im easily wrong. Im not playing poker anymore


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