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PLO20 A864ds naked pair+gs in 3bp ip

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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

iPoker - €0.20 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

CO: €15.34 (76.7 bb)
BTN: €42.48 (212.4 bb)
SB: €40.78 (203.9 bb)
BB: €18.91 (94.6 bb)
UTG: €7.84 (39.2 bb)
Hero (MP): €21.58 (107.9 bb)

SB posts €0.10, BB posts €0.20

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.30) Hero has 4♦: A♦: 8♠: 6♠:
fold, Hero raises to €0.70, 3 folds, BB raises to €2.20, Hero calls €1.50

Flop: (€4.50, 2 players) 5♥: 6♥: 2♦:
BB bets €4.50, Hero?

Villain is a weakish Tag (20/10) with a high 14% 3bet. Cbet oop in 3bp is high 70% but over low sample.

Preflop pretty standard. On the flop it´s iffy cause he bets pot but since he is bad he probably just does not know what to do with his AAxx ( he should have more of em due to the low PFR?) and his lack of awareness on how to play on a straight texture, also idk how much FE I have against that if any . Folding the nuts otf is out of question but continuation is weird cause of his sizing, there are quite some bad turn cards, not sure how to continue on a flush without blocker, gotta fold those I guess.

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Hero calls €4.50

Turn: (€13.50, 2 players) T♠:
BB bets €12.21, Hero calls €12.21

River: (€37.92, 2 players) 2♣:

Results: €37.92 pot (€1.00 rake)
Final Board: 5♥: 6♥: 2♦: T♠: 2♣:

Hero mucks 4♦: A♦: 8♠: 6♠:: (Two Pair, Sixes and Twos)
(Pre 39%, Flop 58%, Turn 25%)

BB shows A♥: T♦: 5♣: A♠:: (Two Pair, Aces and Twos)
(Pre 61%, Flop 42%, Turn 75%)

BB wins €36.92

Turn stack-off looks fine with 43% against his presumed shoving range (I gave him set or better, naked wraps, any flushdraw and top-2pair with blocker/pair - unfortunately only 25% against his actual hand). So the question is basically shove flop better or just call down?


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Preflop stats wise 3bet is really high but when combining it to 20/10 stats it's probably just hot deck. I would assume quite AA heavy range.

Seems well played. This hand is somewhat turn dependant with no hearts and bdfd making call the best play. Sometimes we might also be able to bluff on turn. E.g. let's say turn is 9♣: and villain check. I would assume fair amount of fe at that point.

But yeah when people pot flop in low SPR spots they very rarely fold anymore. Some better regs might balance that with some folds but yeah even in gto land it's usually quite low amount like 20% or something.

We can fold on heart and probably on pairing cards that won't help us. Some of our equity will be lost on pairing turn versus overpair heavy range. Plus fair amount of time he likely has FD+overpair. Sometimes plain nfd type stuff but those are rare.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

We can fold on heart and probably on pairing cards that won't help us.

Totally agree to basically anything you said. I still have the thought a flop shove might have not been that bad if we compare flop equity with turn strategic options.

(either this:


idk if there is much other speculative stuff since pot-bets are underbluffed.

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All in all I guess we are basically fine around the Allin-BE threshold. And we have more than 33% on SPR 1 turns basically always unless as you said flush or pairing card comes. Question is what´s worth more EV-wise, folding those turn selectively or taking the flop FE? Against 100% AAxx we are actually 3:2 favourit otf.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Originally posted by SDK1987
I have fixed the picture for you :f_wink:

Thank you. How did you do that..?

PS. I know now^^


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

I think that putting 15% to oracle is too much. If his preflop stats are 20/10 that would suggest to tight 3bet range, 14% might be due to sample size. Try putting Pokerjuice 3bet ranges to it, and see if the equity changes. Those RFI and 3bet ranges are relatively similar to solver ranges.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Originally posted by Kyyberi
I think that putting 15% to oracle is too much. If his preflop stats are 20/10 that would suggest to tight 3bet range, 14% might be due to sample size. Try putting Pokerjuice 3bet ranges to it, and see if the equity changes. Those RFI and 3bet ranges are relatively similar to solver ranges.

Nah, when I use the 3bet oop 13% PJ range equity does not change at all:

I used this one:

(*!RRR:2%6h, AA: (xxyy,KQ-65,KJ-64,KT-74):xxy, KK: (2%6h,xxyy), QQ: (xxyy:2%6h,xxyy!A:4%6h), JJ: (xxyy:4%6h,xxyy!A:6%6h), AK!RR: (xxyy:6%6h), Axxy!RR: (xxyy:6%6h), *!RR![6-]: (xxyy,xxyy!A), OORR: ((xxyy,xxyz:25%6h)!JJ+), $0G: (xxyy:50%6h, xxyz:50%6h), $1G: (xxyy:30%6h,xxyz:50%6h), (AQT9-, AKJ9-, AQJ9-): (xxyy:16%6h), (AKJ8-, AQ98-, AQJ8 -) : (xxyy:8%6h), (KQJ-,KQT-,KJT-)!RR: (xxyy:12%6h,Axxyy:20%6h), (KQ9-,KJ9-)!RR: (xxyy:8%6h,Axxyy:16%6h), (4556+,4456+,6654+) : (xxyy:12%6h,xxyz:10%6h), (3556+,4457+,4476+,4463+,6643+,6653+): (xxyy:10%6h,xxyz:8%6h))$nt : (AA,66,55,22,43,hh)


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

BB 3bet versus MP open gto wise is around 5-6% so I would not go above 10% at least.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Originally posted by ghaleon
BB 3bet versus MP open gto wise is around 5-6% so I would not go above 10% at least.

His 3bet stats was 15% over 1k sample


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