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PLO50 JJ55ss fold mid set?

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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

So I am mainly curious about your default line in this spot with mid/bottom set or some AKT5 type hand.

I decided to go with my hand as I had read on both CO and BB having very wide preflop ranges plus both being on spewy side postflop. But readless or versus solid looking players... I dont know I would honestly heavily consider folding flop to CO raise and BB call. Basically both can have KK. In game I were less worried of BB having KK also for fact he snap called. So looked more like draw or some 22, K5 type hand.

Game #2114636937: Table €50 PL - 0.25/0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha - 22:54:10 2024/06/28
Seated players
Seat 1: Sunnios (€101.78)
Seat 2: Robo858533 (€140.76)
Seat 3: ALIBAABAAA (€94.87)
Seat 4: getrichtryin (€43.18)
Seat 5: jaggim (€68.10)
Seat 6: Harryelsucio (€24.48)
Blinds and button
ALIBAABAAA has the button
getrichtryin posts small blind €0.25
jaggim posts big blind €0.50
Hole cards
Dealt to Sunnios 5♣:J♥:5♦:J♦:
Preflop
Harryelsucio calls €0.50
Sunnios raises €2.25 to €2.25
Robo858533 calls €2.25
ALIBAABAAA folds
getrichtryin folds
jaggim calls €1.75
Harryelsucio calls €1.75
Flop K♣:5♠:2♦: (9.25€)
jaggim bets €4.62
Harryelsucio folds
Sunnios calls €4.62
Robo858533 raises €16.17 to €16.17
jaggim calls €11.55
Sunnios calls €11.55
Turn 8♥: (57.76€)
jaggim checks
Sunnios checks
Robo858533 bets €57.76
jaggim calls €49.68, and is all-in
Sunnios raises €83.36 to €83.36, and is all-in
Robo858533 calls €25.60


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

I first read the hand history, and my thought on the flop was :why:

The board is quite dry, the only draw is 43xx and I don't think that raises over a cold caller on the flop. So it's 22 or 2p. Versus spewy players, who could overplay hands like AA, AK, K5 there I think it's ok to get it in. I would just shove flop then. But versus solid players it gets more tricky. In general people don't really believe in donk bets, so if CO has Kxxx he could raise there to put pressure on both you and donker. But as the board is such a dry besides small straight draw, it makes your calling range a bit stronger. With Kxxx call is a good option IP. The only hand that might benefit from raising is K5 or some 5432.

In those spots it's always that half of your brain says "that's KK almost always" and other half says "but you have middle set, it's just a cooler if he has KK...". And then you see KK and think "why didn't I listen to myself?`".


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

My Standard play is flop cbet-fold. It's extremely unbalanced but I also dont try to balance 4-way pots, makes no sense imo. Usually I play against more passive and straightforward players. :Kx::Kx: should be around quite frequently so I do try to avoid a stack-off facing a shove but when called continuing hu I am not skipping 3 streets of value when the runout is safe. I dont think a stack-off is a mistake though on such a dryish texture, but against nutpeddlers we can do better than that. If you have labelled them and know them inside out, you can narrow a raising range down to top-set pretty safe and make an expoit fold.

As played facing a call and a squeeze raise I am out otf alrdy for sure unless guys are loose/weak.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

We face BB lead in this so no cbet decision but yeah gto wise we would probably check this very often it being K high and KK is quite a lot in everyone range. In this case though at least CO and BB had way too wide ranges. Plus EP open limping

100bb deep I would just shove flop with reads I had but was wondering if CO will still stack off with 200bb stacks with dry two pair or bottom set. So wanted to keep ranges bit wider.

PS: Point being that flop call will still look weaker than 3bet. Of course not being in position we do give chance for turn to go checked. If turn complete straight and BB leads we can also fold. But yeah in this case CO did still value bet some AK5x combo. BB had wrap.


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