[Closed] did i do something wrong here?

Fold Preflop, and certainly fold the flop bet?

He's telling you preflop he has a hand, telling you when he calls ur re-raise he has a hand, then when he leads out again he's telling you he has a hand..ok, as it turned out he was pretty crazy aggressive betting it with bottom pair but the story he was telling was cocnsistant, and even against bottom pair on the flop your way behind..imo; its fold on the flop for sure..only really calling preflop for set value to double up for the bigger stack..

Sabo

Originally posted by sabo999
Fold Preflop, and certainly fold the flop bet?

He's telling you preflop he has a hand, telling you when he calls ur re-raise he has a hand, then when he leads out again he's telling you he has a hand..ok, as it turned out he was pretty crazy aggressive betting it with bottom pair but the story he was telling was cocnsistant, and even against bottom pair on the flop your way behind..imo; its fold on the flop for sure..only really calling preflop for set value to double up for the bigger stack..

Sabo

my story was consistant too lol
i wasnt caling for set value i was playing as i have big pocket and on that board imo nothing changes from preflop ether I'm WA or WB but i can make him fold there TT,99,77,66 on flop.
and that bet on flop lol is donky bet why will some 1 with made big hand bet out on that flop after he got reraised preflop, the board is so good for Cbet?? and not reraising me when reraise him on flop? thats means ether he got flush draw or weak hand and he dont know were is it in the hand.
and btw whats ur idea when u 3 bet some1 and he calls u preflop and than he lead out on flop, ur just folding, ha?? couse he shows that he is strong comon..... that was clasic probe bet on flop.
maybe u never 3 bet preflop as bluf, gues we see things difrently, just close ur eyes and imagine that those 33 are actualy KK.
Now did i play them good??

Never bluff the fish and thats all.

TheRebuz, what is your strategy for R+ tournaments? How many rebuys? Of course add-on? What else? It depends on table? Please give me advice about that.

Originally posted by TheRebuz

Originally posted by sabo999
Fold Preflop, and certainly fold the flop bet?

He's telling you preflop he has a hand, telling you when he calls ur re-raise he has a hand, then when he leads out again he's telling you he has a hand..ok, as it turned out he was pretty crazy aggressive betting it with bottom pair but the story he was telling was cocnsistant, and even against bottom pair on the flop your way behind..imo; its fold on the flop for sure..only really calling preflop for set value to double up for the bigger stack..

Sabo

and that bet on flop lol is donky bet why will some 1 with made big hand bet out on that flop after he got reraised preflop, the board is so good for Cbet?? and not reraising me when reraise him on flop? thats means ether he got flush draw or weak hand and he dont know were is it in the hand.

Both Of Which are still ahead of you - a weak hand; c'mon he hardly has 22 here? So even a weak hand like 44, 66, 77 , 88 , 99 has u in bad shape here i think the board is actually quite good for 77+ btw, and im not folding to a re-raise, i would probably 3bet shove on that board.. and a flush draw with 2overs still has enough outs against the 33 to be in good shape after the flop...If i was taking your line that i was representing a big hand here, shove the Flop? the Pot is 6.7K and you have 8K behind, by re-raising to 4K your pretty much pot committed anyway so why not put the pressure back on him on the flop ??

Imo, its still a fold preflop, you have a decent stack with an M of 16 and can pick better spots.

Sabo

yeah, don't bluff the fish....

Originally posted by budzior
Never bluff the fish and thats all.

TheRebuz, what is your strategy for R+ tournaments? How many rebuys? Of course add-on? What else? It depends on table? Please give me advice about that.

trye lol but i dint know that he is fish that time :)) never mind

R+ MTT
when i sit down i look at the table if there are more than 5 players with 2x buy in I double buy in my self and start with 3k chips. A play tight very very agresive with made hands and big draws 8+ outs. When i get hand I want to play I never limp always raise first in if there are couple of limpers in frond of me i limp with suited connectors 45-jq, and pockets 22-TT nothing else. First in ALWAYS RAIESE 2,5x BB (when blinds are 100/200 or more, when blinds are lower i open raise 3xbb)
if i busted i double rebuy and do it again. if i busted 10-15 min before ad on and avg stack is 2x+ then double rebuy i just quit.
so I invest 5 buyins top. 1 or 2 when i sit down, if I busted double R. and ad on.
If i lose Big hand in rebuy period I never rebuy. for ex. If i lose with KK vs AK or set over set, if i get bad beat (some1 hits his miracle 2-5 outs vs mine monster) in rebuy period i quit

Thanks a lot:)

Originally posted by sabo999

Originally posted by TheRebuz

Originally posted by sabo999
Fold Preflop, and certainly fold the flop bet?

He's telling you preflop he has a hand, telling you when he calls ur re-raise he has a hand, then when he leads out again he's telling you he has a hand..ok, as it turned out he was pretty crazy aggressive betting it with bottom pair but the story he was telling was cocnsistant, and even against bottom pair on the flop your way behind..imo; its fold on the flop for sure..only really calling preflop for set value to double up for the bigger stack..

Sabo

and that bet on flop lol is donky bet why will some 1 with made big hand bet out on that flop after he got reraised preflop, the board is so good for Cbet?? and not reraising me when reraise him on flop? thats means ether he got flush draw or weak hand and he dont know were is it in the hand.

Both Of Which are still ahead of you - a weak hand; c'mon he hardly has 22 here? So even a weak hand like 44, 66, 77 , 88 , 99 has u in bad shape here i think the board is actually quite good for 77+ btw, and im not folding to a re-raise, i would probably 3bet shove on that board.. and a flush draw with 2overs still has enough outs against the 33 to be in good shape after the flop...If i was taking your line that i was representing a big hand here, shove the Flop? the Pot is 6.7K and you have 8K behind, by re-raising to 4K your pretty much pot committed anyway so why not put the pressure back on him on the flop ??

Sabo

u see u get it. I"M POT COMMITTED ANY WAY and if he get it too he know that I'm not going any were couse I have "big hand" and I 'm just reraising him couse I want him to call me and pay my "big hand" with those flushdraws and lower pocket.
I told u before we see things difrently...
and btw if he got good hand and he is good player he will shove after my flop raise couse I'm pot comited any way and i'm not calling that reraise lol I'll fold there and play shortstack ♦

fold preflop
fold to the flopdonk.
not only did you something wrong, but everything here
if you want to play 33 call for set value

Originally posted by grummeler
fold preflop
fold to the flopdonk.
not only did you something wrong, but everything here
if you want to play 33 call for set value

lol ♦
man cant try bluf couse of u guys
u are all watching the trees and u cant see the forest.

LET ME REPOST HAND

Originally posted by TheRebuz
here is the story i was multi tabling playing couple of sits and got shorthanded there on 2 tables(1 HU, 1 3way) and was folding at this table like 20 min before this hand. i just get on this table like 20-25 min before And i think i play only one or none hand when I get on this table so this was my first or second hand in 20 min. the table was mix of loose (morons calling with any pair) and tight (weak pasiv) players

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 5.5 Tournament, 125/250 Blinds 30 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

UTG (t6250)
UTG+1 (t4450)
MP1 (t16733)
MP2 (t29700)
Hero (MP3) (t10850)
CO (t15286)
Button (t11040)
SB (t28850)
BB (t27110)

Hero's M: 16.82

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with X, X
3 folds, MP2 bets t750, Hero raises to t2450, 4 folds, MP2 calls t1700

Flop: (t5545) 5, J, 8 (2 players)
MP2 bets t1250, Hero raises to t3750, MP2 calls t2500

Turn: (t13045) 6 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets t4620 (All-In), MP2 calls t4620

River: (t22285) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t22285

evaluate this
X=any card

so what is my range here (what XX can represent)

what is other player range for caling??

thats not the point.
the point is:

IF HE IS A FISH HE WONT CARE !!!!
he wont put you on a range.
if he hits his J here he wil call you no matter how consistend your story is.
he just wont fold
he wont wold to a raise, or to a shove or to whatever.
a fish doesnt think about ranges he just sees his hand.
thats why they are so profitable because if we DO have the strong hand he will pay us of.
as a thinking player your range is preflop might be like this if you are tight
AA, KK , QQ , JJ , TT , AK, AQs
on the flop the after your raise i cut out AQ unless its AQ in spades and i cut out some AK hands.
on the turn your range looks like this
AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AsKs, AsQs

but a fish just wont see that
against a thinking player your play might work
but not against a fish who will call you with JK, AJ and even with 99-TT

Originally posted by grummeler
thats not the point.
the point is:

IF HE IS A FISH HE WONT CARE !!!!
he wont put you on a range.
if he hits his J here he wil call you no matter how consistend your story is.
he just wont fold
he wont wold to a raise, or to a shove or to whatever.
a fish doesnt think about ranges he just sees his hand.
thats why they are so profitable because if we DO have the strong hand he will pay us of.
as a thinking player your range is preflop might be like this if you are tight
AA, KK , QQ , JJ , TT , AK, AQs
on the flop the after your raise i cut out AQ unless its AQ in spades and i cut out some AK hands.
on the turn your range looks like this
AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AsKs, AsQs

but a fish just wont see that
against a thinking player your play might work
but not against a fish who will call you with JK, AJ and even with 99-TT

ok th
agree on that but i dint know if the guy is fish
so the point (and ur advice) is if the guy is unknow is beter to think that he is a fish than good thinking palyer???

well you postet that there were morons calling down with just single pair ♦
thats why i thought he was one of those players.
if you dont know nothing about an opponent yet i wont start any fancy move.
i like to have some information about a player before i risk my stack on a complete bluff.
and yet here is onether problem, which hand will he call a raise on the flop with but fold to a small bet when he is already pot comitted ?
nothing.

Originally posted by grummeler
well you postet that there were morons calling down with just single pair ♦
thats why i thought he was one of those players.
if you dont know nothing about an opponent yet i wont start any fancy move.
i like to have some information about a player before i risk my stack on a complete bluff.
and yet here is onether problem, which hand will he call a raise on the flop with but fold to a small bet when he is already pot comitted ?
nothing.

true, ok th.