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[Closed] PP 0.5/1: QTs, KQ, 2x KK

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Destolon
Joined: 29.04.2006

1)
PartyPoker $0.5/$1 Hold'em (10 handed) Converter

PreFlop: Hero is SB with T♥, Q♣
8 folds, Hero raises, BB calls

Flop: (4 SB) 6♦, 8♦, J♥ (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls

Turn: (3 BB) 9♦ (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls

River: (7 BB) J♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero calls

Total Pot: 9 BB

2)
PartyPoker $0.5/$1 Hold'em (10 handed) Converter

PreFlop: Hero is MP1 with K♠, Q♦
3 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, LP calls, BTN calls, SB folds, BB calls

Flop: (8.5 SB) J♣, 4♣, 9♥ (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, LP raises, 2 folds, Hero calls

Turn: (6.25 BB) T♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, LP bets, Hero raises, LP 3-bets, Hero calls

River: (12.25 BB) 4♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, LP bets, Hero calls

Total Pot: 14.25 BB

actually i didn't think he was on a flushdraw, because his flopraise didn't look like a valueraise to me. Did I Overplay my Straight?

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PartyPoker $0.5/$1 Hold'em (9 handed) Converter

PreFlop: Hero is SB with K♥, K♦
UTG2 folds, UTG3 calls, 3 folds, UTG1 checks, BTN folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero caps, BB calls

Flop: (10 SB) J♠, 4♣, Q♥ (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls

Turn: (9 BB) 4♦ (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls

River: (13 BB) Q♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero calls

Total Pot: 15 BB

How to play High (non-Ace) pocketpairs when capped preflop?

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PartyPoker $0.5/$1 Hold'em (9 handed) Converter

PreFlop: Hero is LP with K♦, K♥
2 folds, UTG3 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG3 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 caps, Hero calls, UTG3 calls, MP1 calls

Flop: (17.5 SB) 2♦, 4♠, 2♥ (4 players)
UTG3 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, UTG3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls

Turn: (13.25 BB) A♣ (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls

River: (16.25 BB) 8♦ (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls

Total Pot: 19.25 BB

similar Hand.
The problem is, i saw people without Ace donking this, or QQ or whatever. It sure happens rarely, but is very profitable when you call down.
Is there a rule of thumb how to react? Do I have to calldown or could i already fold here?


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Please don't show results. They don't matter, and they don't affect the way the hand's played.


Destolon
Joined: 29.04.2006

uh, thx a lot, didn't mean to post them, i'm not yet used to this pokermanager Handconverter.


Heh, I guess Emu is a little annoyed since there's been a lot of players posting results these days.

Now to the hands. Honestly, at first glance I don't think I can give you much help, good hands, tough situations, I'd lose money on these too.

1) Only problem I see is that the pot is really small, so you have to ask yourself if it's worth calling his raise on the turn depending on how often he's going to hold that flush. If it wasn't a blind fight I'd say fold turn, but in this situation I'd call down as well, playerstats help a lot in these situations.
Fun little hand as well, good hand to think about how you would react if he'd 3bet you preflop, or raise on the flop.

2) I would see this as a valueraise/semi-bluff and I'd fold here, with two overcards and a gutshot you have enough odds to bet/call, but there are quite a lot of people on the flop, so you have to both discount some of your outs for overcards and the T of clubs for the gutshot. I'd probably bet/fold depending on how bad the players are.

3) >> How to play High (non-Ace) pocketpairs when capped preflop?
Depends on the board actually, if he 3bets preflop and he's a reasonable player you can pretty much put him on TT-AA or AK. Bet/raise flop and if he shows a lot of aggression call down, unless the board is so scary that you're probable already beaten, like this one. The only hand you'd beat are TT and AK (and KK for a split, and there's not enough value here since there isn't much dead money in the pot). After his cap on the flop I'd think check/call on the turn or maybe even check/fold.

4) So he caps preflop, see my comments above. The flop is definitely unscary, only aces would beat you here, the turn shows an ace, that makes 3 hands that could beat you and 3 hands that you beat, worth a call down except for the third player that called cold twice now. I'd call down like you did but be wary of that third player, if he moves you should fold.
(I wonder if it's a good move to raise the turn nonetheless, to scare away that third, but since he already coldcalled twice I don't think that would apply here, if however he got stuck in between raises a raise here would've given him a good fold oppertunity and increased your winning chances. Not here but I would consider it in other situations)

Hmm, guess I was in the mood for analyses :). Anyway like I said, I'd probably lose money on these hands as well, so I'd prefer if somebody who's a bit more experienced also looks at these hands and comments.


zaephyr
Joined: 03.05.2006

1. call down or fold, depends of the type of the player.
2. I wouldnt put him on flushdraw, he cut of to potential limpers on flop, he probably have a set, so i would cap turn, call river.
3. There is no hand that u can beat here, unless villian is overly aggresive and he caps top pair on flop, so fold turn.
4. Pot is big so call down imo.


Destolon
Joined: 29.04.2006

thanks a lot to both of you!