[Closed] NL100 loose call following flopraise.

equilator/stove?(

i would fold to flop reraise. calling a short stack flop reraise holding AQ which is essentially trash at this stage is just bleeding money imho.

I don't think you can fold here with one OC + GS, due to your small remaining stack. Against TT, 77, AKs, K2s+, QJs, AKo, K6o+, QJo you have 29% EQ, and you need something like 26%. Besides, he might not be as passive post flop as he seems to be.

Originally posted by Ishindar
i would fold to flop reraise. calling a short stack flop reraise holding AQ which is essentially trash at this stage is just bleeding money imho.

How is AQ trash here? I don't think it is.

Do you guys think missing or delaying the cbet would be a good idea sometimes? on 187 hands can I rely on the bet OOP versus missed cbet stat to let me know what to do on turn when he bets? (I might well miss the cbet here with AT for example in order to induce a bluff/thin valuebet on later streets against my hand)

btw. Dandycal's post almost identically replicated my own thoughts on the hand as with my other recent thread. Nice respones dandy ♦

Hey DaPhunk,

I would almost never miss a c-bet on such a dry board that perfectly hits your range.

From my calculations you need 24% BEQ after the c-bet and with GS + 1OC you have more than that, so I believe shove is inevitable here.

I think a check/raise all-in would also be an option here, but for this villain should show some kind of aggressive image in those 187 hands.

Leaving this one for second opinion as well.

Regards,
burek2000

Originally posted by DaPhunk

Originally posted by Ishindar
i would fold to flop reraise. calling a short stack flop reraise holding AQ which is essentially trash at this stage is just bleeding money imho.

How is AQ trash here? I don't think it is.

Do you guys think missing or delaying the cbet would be a good idea sometimes? on 187 hands can I rely on the bet OOP versus missed cbet stat to let me know what to do on turn when he bets? (I might well miss the cbet here with AT for example in order to induce a bluff/thin valuebet on later streets against my hand)

btw. Dandycal's post almost identically replicated my own thoughts on the hand as with my other recent thread. Nice respones dandy ♦

the villan called a ss player oop, his pfr stat is tight indicating he only likes to play a tight range raised preflop. its rare to see players calling a ss player oops with less than AK 77+
the villan has shown strength by check raising the flop.
u have a weak holding when considering the above
u have 29% pot odds and 28% win odds(at best and thats being very optomistic) so for me thats just too marginal considering the first two points and u have less equity than meets the eye.

I would have fold to his raise flop myself. Now I agree it's a borderline situation, cause of your remaining stack. You need more than 23% équity to make the call ev+. Regarding his AF, a check/raise do represent a big hand. With your ridiculous remaining stack, my opinion is that your call is close to ev=0 (probably ev- though but it's very hard to read him on a range). If you like swingy graph, call, if not, fold. With a full 20bb stack it would have been an easy fold.

Anyway your c-bet was good (good betsizing). Here it was the good option to c-bet imho. But on some occasions delay it is much more ev+.

http://www.PokerStrategy.com
Operation canceled... 12,970,806 games processed in 7 seconds.

Board: Kc Td 7s
Dead:

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 73.891 % 73.334 % 1.115 % 25.551 % KsQs
Player 2: 26.109 % 25.551 % 1.115 % 73.334 % AhQd

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do the math!
there is really nothin to talk about this spot

what's your point?

L O L

I can't do much things with AF, I need AFq & c/R but as the way I see it, it is now a debate whether your move is -EV or =EV and then I just fold to his reraise.

You would have to discount some outs. Taken for granted around 6 outs is +EV / =EV I do found it borderline.

Against a guy who is not really fond of playing Fit/Fold , checking back is better.

And since he is on Party, can you tell me his SN so I can look him up in MY database

- Gerv

hi gerv,
checking behind is an option.

as played:
can u please give me a c/r-range for a 27/3 player in the sb, against which we dont have enough equity?

the tightest range i can assume is:

http://www.PokerStrategy.com
Operation canceled... 15,495,050 games processed in 14 seconds.

Board: Kc Td 7h
Dead:

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 30.335 % 30.045 % 0.580 % 69.375 % AhQd
Player 2: 69.665 % 69.375 % 0.580 % 30.045 % TT+, AKs, KTs+, QJs, AKo, KTo+, QJo

a normal range would also include Tx-hands

sry but this is not a close/be-spot.

just my
20bb

goldflair03

Originally posted by goldflair03
just my
20bb

goldflair03

AWESOME!!!!!!!

Nice work though, good to see someone else giving villain a range. This is what I wanted to check with the post. (Equilator isn't as useful as it should be if you arn't confident on your choice of villain range)

Thanks for feedback everyone, Gerv I skyped you his screenname.

You can't propose a decent range here, I'm sorry but we don't have enough information to make a good one (as I said before ;)). When I did the math AQo had around 23% equity against the vilain "supposed" range if I do remember properly. Some people wil think it's way too tight, but maybe it's way too loose, the poins is that we'll never know. Not enough data, too much instinct here.

Originally posted by tigerK
You can't propose a decent range here, I'm sorry but we don't have enough information to make a good one (as I said before ;)). When I did the math AQo had around 23% equity against the vilain "supposed" range if I do remember properly. Some people wil think it's way too tight, but maybe it's way too loose, the poins is that we'll never know. Not enough data, too much instinct here.

I disagree. We can make a pretty educated guess as to villains range here, yes its not going to be 100%, poker never is and we know that already. Stats can be useful to eliminate uncertainty and if we don't have a big sample our decisions will be closer, but the level you are taking this to is just ridiculous. You will have to make decisions based on smaller samples yourself in the future, In short, learn how to play against relative unknowns and stop being over the top pedantic.

Sorry if that sounded rude but I strongly disagree with your statement that we just "can't" give the villain a range here.

It's your right to disagree. Sorry as well for being over the top pedantic.

Of course we can propose a range for villain, but I just wanted to say it's not THAT accurate to use it in order to make your decision because here we don't have enough data and the result is borderline. Does it sound clear to you? rude? ah sorrry ;).

Here I already wrote that the call appears ev=0 to me, it's because I did put him on a range, dont misunderstand me. I just think that it's not relevant enough to help deciding if the call is ev+ or ev-, so I decide it was ev=0. ev=0 = fold.

"You will have to make decisions based on smaller samples yourself in the future, in short, learn how to play against relative unknowns" No I don't think so... LOL.