[Closed] Two hands (0,5/1)

1. In my experience, someone who will cap the turn in this situation is better more than 50% of the time, so the c/c river has to be ok. If you are better, then bluff induce is good. The range of hand that he could beat you with is mostly ludicrous. If he has you beaten T2 is almost favourite, as some people will always play the "Doyle Brunson". Otherwise he must have 2 pair with an A, a set with 2's, or something stronger, which was slow played. If he has 34, 25, T5, then invite him back anytime. These are the kind of hands that make me wonder whether I know how to play. The opponent hasn't played well, IMO. EDIT In that, anything he can beat you with is either much better or much worse preflop. Blinzler or Stefan will give us the definitive opinion. ♦

2. Don't know about the flop, maybe just call the raises. Afterwards, it would seem to be WA/WB, so calldown is mandatory.

Mugge, you seem to have been around a while, and have gone up the limits, but are still bronze. Are you not registered for Party Points?

1) turn is close but as a default i don't 3-bet the turn because his play looks a lot like a two pair or a set when he flat calls the flop with BB left to act behind him and then raises the turn. I call down after the turn raise here.

2) not wa/wb, we have the second nuts!!!
i also raise the turn again with such a strong hand and calldown vs a 3-bet because he is passive, vs aggressive i cap the turn and lead the river.

Originally posted by Blinzler

2) not wa/wb, we have the second nuts!!!

We have the second nuts, but if his holding includes the A, our nuts are crushed. We are either winning easily, or completely beaten, aren't we? Since he has capped the flop, then bet the turn and river, why are we calling him passive? EDIT. Ok, he is passive, the original post says so. Sorry.

we are way ahead more often than we are behind and there are lots of worse hands calling us down, so we do have value with a turn raise.

OK. I get spooked by flops like this. Often someone seems to hold the fourth card. I find it difficult to understand what is value and what isn't. I get confused by the fact that putting one more bet in can result in being raised and beaten, and am fuzzy about how to factor that in to calculations.

Thanks for the answers. I came to quite the same conclusion in hand 2 as you guys but as for hand 1 i really didn't have a clue (no matter what he held it was played terrible imo).

The reason i'm a bronze member atm is because of an exam + the holiday + generally busy days so i didn't play since mid december and just started recently again (i will hopefully be back in silver again i a few weeks).

In case somone wants to see the results for the hands they are in white below:
Hand 1: He held Q2 - Hand 2: He held 77

ok, i will write something about when we have value and when we dont in the rookie discussion board

Note that for a situation to qualify as wa/wb there is one very important condition:

Almost all worse hands are not going to call us. However, in the KK example, we will get calldowns from a lot of worse stuff - any pair, for example.