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[Closed] JTo (0.05/0.1 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (9 handed))

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corsc
Joined: 03.11.2009
PokerStrategist

Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB$0.74:12/58 /0 /0.6/38 /-/-/67 ;Hero$2.62:///////;MP1$0.63:64/36 /0 /0.6/11 /0 /-/33 ;MP2$0.90:09/78 /0 /1.0/14 /0 /-/100 ;MP3$0.96:48/63 /0 /0.5/48 /0 /0 /31 ;[/tg]
0.05/0.1 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.71 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BB with J♠, T♥
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: (5.00 SB) 2♠, J♦, A♥ (5 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 calls, SB calls.

Here is raised to protect my middle pair and attempt to remove some of the others from the hand.
Is this too aggressive?
Turn: (5.50 BB) K♣ (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Here I felt that I had too many outs to fold.
I was counting my outs as follows:
-2 remaining jacks (for a three of kind)
-4 queens (for a straight)
-(potentially) 3 Tens for 2 pair

With the almost complete lack of aggression from my opponents I felt that I was playing against nothing better than a pair.
I felt that raising here would be bad as I could quite likely be facing an Ace pair from a passive player.

Should I have been more or less aggressive here?
River: (8.50 BB) 4♠ (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

At this point I felt like I was beat but I guess my curiousity (or perhaps bravado) made me want to call.

I believe the correct answer was to fold. Thoughts?
Final Pot: 11.50 BB

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows a pair of jacks (Js Th)
MP3 shows a pair of jacks (Jh 8s)
SB shows a pair of aces (Ac 9s)

SB wins with a pair of aces (Ac 9s)


4 replies
frzl
Joined: 25.04.2006
Elite Grinder

hi corsc
i´m not sure about this one. i will mark it :)


Dawnfall26
Joined: 30.07.2008
BlackMember

Hi!

I fold flop.You have a very marginal hand and on a 5way dry flop I see no reason to fight for pretty small pot. Also when he donks out it will be almost always Ax or better so there is not reason to protect when you are not a favorite. Due to the bad position you cant even call.

River I make a fold, at least 1 has an ace.


corsc Topic starter
corsc
Joined: 03.11.2009
PokerStrategist

Thanks to you both.

After another look you are absolutely right, the flop donk should have been an indication of ace pair. I guess I got sucked in by the looseness of the table having seen many donks come from any pair on the flop.

I guess I should be looking to play/learn the correct course and not get sucked into the looseness of my opponents.

The river is definately a fold, no other way around it.


Hi corsc,

I agree with Dawnfall26 here. The problem with calling the flop is that you are pretty often behind , the pot is not very big and there might be a raise behind you. As played I even consider a turn fold. Sure you got a gutshot now but your T outs are worth nothing. A J may give you the bet hand but not all the time and a Q will give you the best hand but you still may split the pot. I would give myself maximum 5 outs here so you would need 8:1 were you only get 6-8:1. So you see it's pretty close too. :)


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