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[Closed] Live $330 KK early stages of tournament

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justkyle88
Joined: 07.05.2008

Blinds are 100/200
45min blinds

Stacks are pretty even with all players except a few that have lost maybe 5-10k
My stack is up to 42k ish.
Villain stack is approx 30k ish

So, Hero has KK in UTG+2

Raise 4x to 725. Reason for this 4x raise is because the players are horrible and they dnt see the different raising sizes as anything. I'm just maximising value.

I get 3-bet to 2225 by a girl who is fairly solid I guess but is still a fish. She calls draws down a lot, showdown is poor (will call 3-barrels with TPBK, things like that.) But, she doesn't 3-bet or get her chips in light. so this 3-bet could be like AJo+, TT+, AJs+.

I 4-bet to 8k ish total. Can't remember the exact raise.

She insta-flats. So now my range changes a bit. She doesn't have AA, cause she is the kind of player that won't do anything tricky with AA and will just get it in ASAP. So JJ,QQ,KK is my read and maybe something like AK, but even still I don't see her flatting with AK. Just isn't that kind of player. So really my true range for her is JJ and QQ cause if she has KK, well so be it.

FLOP: 78T. POT: 17k ish
Pretty good flop imo if I'm putting her on a JJ and QQ range.

On me to act first, I check to induce a bet to get her stack in asap. I cnt see her folding JJ or QQ if she bets this flop.
She bets 12k.
What do I do????????


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All in?
She won't have any nine here, so the best she can have is a gutshot draw.
She probebly dosen't have TT either, it's not on your range.
She might have QQ here.
I would have moved all in here, but i'm not a 330$ live tournaments players


bigdwong
Joined: 14.05.2009

If you think shes bluffing at the flop then I'd call and wait for her to push the rest of it on the turn or river (and if she doesn't get her chips in then she wasn't going to on the flop to a re-raise at that point anyway).

If you think shes truly on just JJ or QQ then you're golden to push imo because
-you can't fold (at least I couldn't lol)
-you can call - but then if A or K come on the turn or river she'll be scared with hands you beat (QQ, JJ) or she'll make a hand that beats you (if she has an ace and hits it)
-you can raise - and I don't see her folding an over pair very often when she is getting 5k-1k on her money.


budzior
Joined: 26.02.2009
TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008

Originally posted by justkyle88

On me to act first, I check to induce a bet to get her stack in asap. I cnt see her folding JJ or QQ if she bets this flop.

with that action preflop i dont like check on flop to induce bet from JJ- QQ, if u think that she will play with AQ AK that way preflop and the she will bet air (AK AQ or 99) on that flop if u check i'll go for a check to induce a bluff from weaker hands
can u see her folding QQ-JJ if u bet that flop?
with ur reads i just beat out 10k into her, so she can raise me with her over pair JJ+
she bets into u so what r u waiting u say that u put her on JJ+ and that he will play them that way so shove

and 1 more thing is flop rainbow couse if flop is 2 of a flush draw she might bet there with AKs /AQs flush draw imo


Anssi
Joined: 03.07.2008

If you think she has QQ, JJ then betting is best line. If she has trouble laying down top pair she is not folding overpair there. You even say that she is calling station, what makes you think she will bet the flop?

As played I definately raise here. It will be a lot harder to get chips in on turn as about half the cards in the deck are scary.


Sounds like the villan had 77 88 or TT and hit trips ?( or bluff cause they put you on AK and had A+T/7/8 ... depends on how early it was but ive folded KK when i feel im being trapped or reeled in. Especially MTT's theres always another hand.


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

bet flop shove turn.

as played, shove. you've got the result you wanted, now put the money in


justkyle88
Joined: 07.05.2008

thanks to everyone that discussed the hand.
i tank-shoved, she called, she had TT
GG


Originally posted by chenny8888
bet flop shove turn.

as played, shove. you've got the result you wanted, now put the money in

the hand is 4bet preflop so i dont think you can trick her in betting something really weak just by checking :)
so i bet/broke the flop shove the turn.
as played shove ^^
you got exactly what you were hoping for so shove.


Olorion
Joined: 25.08.2008

Originally posted by chenny8888
bet flop shove turn.

as played, shove. you've got the result you wanted, now put the money in

this

after 4bettin pre c/c looks way too strong and she's gonna prolly fold jj-qq, c/s is pretty fine cause w/ 2 psbs ud probably just cbet/call


larseda
Joined: 06.08.2006

Originally posted by chenny8888
bet flop shove turn.

as played, shove. you've got the result you wanted, now put the money in

#2

think its better to bet ur self ....


justkyle88
Joined: 07.05.2008

OK, thanks :)
I'll bang away next time _cool:


akrammon
Joined: 17.05.2009

From my experiences with weak live players (well, not in a $330:P), I say the flop check is good because she might bet with something like AK as well, depending on the person.
After the bet its a shove.


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Originally posted by akrammon
From my experiences with weak live players (well, not in a $330:P), I say the flop check is good because she might bet with something like AK as well, depending on the person.
After the bet its a shove.

Srsly people don't even 3bet AK. It's a drawing hand in their minds.