[Closed] NL100SH AKo nice cd

(1) means that it happened one time. I guess u looked at his stats after the hand because this hand will represent that one time he c/r the turn.
I shove on the Turn. 88 99 beats u but there are a ton of draws he could have picked up.

Even so deep ?

Didn´t see that ♦
But would he just call 99 on the Flop? I think hes raising it most of the time for value. Does he call 88 on the Flop? Very seldom imo. So even the 2 combos that beat u are rarely in his range.

Well the decision on the turn depends on what you think about your opponent.

If you call I think you will probably have to call almost any river because if he is bluffing he will continue and therefore even on clubs it's hard to find a fold.

But I think a small 3bet on the turn is a decent option, escpecially since you've been pushed around and people might think you get frustrated and try to play back.

So a 3bet to $78 would actually bet for bluffinduce and I think if you think that there's a good chance the opponent is bluffing it's a nice spot to try to get him to shove.

As played on the river as I said it's tough.
I'm really not sure whether a call or a fold is better, there are arguments for both sides.
I usually rather take the safe route (because I'm a nit).

Hi, this is so familiar line for me - I have lost hundreds with AK against sets in this line :-) I already have a clear opinion on this hand:

1) from the way you are playing, it is obvious that you have strong Ace most of the time.. That´s why villain will not play his draw aggresively since he must be afraid that you push him if he raises. That´s why they always play draws passively and reraise you only if they have a set - at least from my experience.

---> 2) I would seriously consider fold already on the turn, since he has set most of the time! In this particular situation (so deep) I would probably call (hoping to hit FH with huge implied odds or that he may be done with his potential bluff and check river) but I am folding river 99% of the time.

---> 3) AK is a tricky hand against good players. You can lose huge pots if villain hits set. And you usually win only small to medium pot against hands like AQ or lower and KK and lower.

---> 4) That´s why I also sometimes check turn even on such a wet board. The point is pot control - I can call river 100% of the time and induce bluffs from busted draws. I think it is not bad option.. Though you miss some value if he has a draw.

What do you think about it?

Havent played so many hands NL100Sh to lose even couple of AK against set on turn ♦. If i get it in on turn and he has set then i at least have some outs, and if he do it like that then i can make note

Originally posted by Cornie4ever
---> 3) AK is a tricky hand against good players. You can lose huge pots if villain hits set. And you usually win only small to medium pot against hands like AQ or lower and KK and lower.

---> 4) That´s why I also sometimes check turn even on such a wet board. The point is pot control - I can call river 100% of the time and induce bluffs from busted draws. I think it is not bad option.. Though you miss some value if he has a draw.

What do you think about it?

3) and 4) go hand in hand.
If you don't make thin valuebets on the turn obviously the pot won't grow, therefore you won't win much.

The bet on the turn is a good bet. Just because he check/raises sometimes and puts us in a tough spot that's no reason to not bet.
If you think his check/raising-range is very strong and you will lose money by calling - fold!
There's nothing wrong with bet/folding the turn, but checking the turn and calling the river is bad imo because we're giving him a freecard.
This leads to 4): On the turn he would call with a draw, on the river he will just c/f.
But if he has a set he will not c/f the river, he will bet or even c/r, so we do lose a big pot but we won nothing against the draws.
Whereas by betting the turn we can fold against the sets he check/raises and lose the same amount as by checking back and calling and at the same time get additional value against draws.

That´s true also! But you have to have the discipline to bet/fold on turn

on the other hand I don´t think my line is much worse.. I miss some value on turn against draws, but they may try to bluff on river. (and in case they improve on river, I lose only small pots on river. You may happen to pay them off on river if you bet turn and they improve river and bet small).

Against set they will usually bet river, so I lose just small pots. And I managed to avoid loss of money by betting turn. And as a bonus I saw the showdown.. (in your line there is also danger they call turn and bet river, again you lose some additional money)

And against air / total bluffs it is definitely more value for me to check turn since they may bluff-bet river whereas they would fold to my bet on turn.

NOT BAD OPTION, JUST CHECK THE TURN and ALWAYS CALL RIVER ---> SO EASY, NO RISK, BLUFF INDUCE, POT CONTROL, LOT OF EQUITY.

By betting turn I agree that you may win more. But you can also lose a lot (may be less than you can win). If played well, your line may be slightly better in terms of overall equity (agreed with you), but it is surely more dangerous (you can make wrong decision on turn which is very expensive / and you may happen to pay off better hands on river).

I just wanted to mention my safer line as a feasible option. It is definitely not mistake to play the safer line check turn in my view. (it may be still EV+ decision to check the turn and you eliminate risk. There are easier spots where you can win money more comfortably).

Interesting discussions. I think 99 calls on this flop, but there are also other hands which can call here: mainly flush draws, AQ, AJ and possibly a rather ambitious QJ. Well, we want to get value against the whole range so I think we need to bet the turn to protect our hand.

As to what you do when you get raised, I think it's really opponent dependent. The main problem is we are so deep.

I think bet/folding turn is best. With 100bb I tend to shove over the raise; with 200bb I lean towards folding. We are representing such a strong hand on this board when we bet again on the turn that I think villain has to be super aggressive to raise the turn with only a draw. And if we check the turn and a draw comes in, we have a difficult decision on the river if villain bets big.

Originally posted by Cornie4ever
That´s true also! But you have to have the discipline to bet/fold on turn

on the other hand I don´t think my line is much worse.. I miss some value on turn against draws, but they may try to bluff on river. (and in case they improve on river, I lose only small pots on river. You may happen to pay them off on river if you bet turn and they improve river and bet small).

Against set they will usually bet river, so I lose just small pots. And I managed to avoid loss of money by betting turn. And as a bonus I saw the showdown.. (in your line there is also danger they call turn and bet river, again you lose some additional money)

And against air / total bluffs it is definitely more value for me to check turn since they may bluff-bet river whereas they would fold to my bet on turn.

NOT BAD OPTION, JUST CHECK THE TURN and ALWAYS CALL RIVER ---> SO EASY, NO RISK, BLUFF INDUCE, POT CONTROL, LOT OF EQUITY.

By betting turn I agree that you may win more. But you can also lose a lot (may be less than you can win). If played well, your line may be slightly better in terms of overall equity (agreed with you), but it is surely more dangerous (you can make wrong decision on turn which is very expensive / and you may happen to pay off better hands on river).

I just wanted to mention my safer line as a feasible option. It is definitely not mistake to play the safer line check turn in my view. (it may be still EV+ decision to check the turn and you eliminate risk. There are easier spots where you can win money more comfortably).

I really disagree with this.
Our hand is so strong that by checking the turn I'm very sure we lose a lot of value compared to betting because the opponent will outdraw us 25%-30% of the time in which cases we lose a bet on the river anyway, and he is not bluffing 100% of the time when he misses!

So if he has a draw by betting the turn any money going in the pot is always going in when we're a favourite whereas by checking back a) there are a lot of times where we're ahead on the river and no money goes in the pot whatsoever and b) once money goes in we're guaranteed to lose at least 25% of the time (and that is even assuming the opponent bluffs exactly 100% of his air!

Ok, thanks! You´re probably right ♠_cool:

Sorry, I know I'm terribly self-opinionated ♦.