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Targetme
Joined: 04.05.2009

I used to flip a coin for money in highschool I was very lucky

I cheated

I also cheat in poker I bluff and play bad players


JackxxRatt
Joined: 18.07.2007

Short term luck, long term skill.

The 1 outer bad beat can happen anytime but it's certainly not gonna happen all the time. Maths and probabilities (as said earlier in the thread) will prevail.

There's absolutely zero luck in bet sizing, calculating odds, putting known opponents on a range, knowing when known opponents have you beat, table selection, hand selection, sitting immediately to the left of Mr Aggro, playing within your BR etc etc


The problem is the only real long-term in statistics is infinity.

How long a 'short-term' spell of unluckiness lasts is about as long as a piece of string.

But yes, Jack is right.

All those things increase your chances but nothing can ever guarantee a win.

Supeyrio is to be encouraged to play like that ;) His short-term opponents may be outraged at his luck but in the long-run he will donate to the world.

Lastly, I hope taavi was being sarcastic. No need for it though


yes poker game is too the game of luck but if you don't work hard then only luck cant do any thing. So you have have to sit and play more and you will get enough experience then your luck will be with you and you will definitely start winning.


Styr
Joined: 11.03.2009

Yes, poker is all about luck, if one plays the cards. But it is all about skill, if one plays against the opponents.

Don't play against the cards, play against your opponents.


gavinonymous
Joined: 18.12.2008

I read that luck is about 30% of poker - some are at the top and some at the bottom of luck. Most are evenly treated by fortune in the long run.

It is said that poker is a game of mistakes

David Sklansky's Fundamental Theorem of Poker

"Every time you play a hand differently from the way you would have played it if you could see all of your opponents' cards, they gain; and every time you play your hand the same way you would have played it if you could see all their cards, they lose. Conversely, every time opponents play their hands differently from the way they would have if they could see all your cards, you gain; and every time they play their hands the same way they would have played if they could see all your cards, you lose."

I'm trying to apply this to your opponent in the 72 hand. What mistakes did they make?

If your opponent could see your 72 preflop and calls you is it a mistake?
If they see 72 on the flop would they check or bet? Was it a mistake?

You made several mistakes and profited from it. I don't understand how the fundamental theorem applies here? Did you trade small mistakes for a big mistake by your opponent?


mishkagg
Joined: 29.07.2008

Sure it's all luck.
And what's worse - card rooms decide whether you're gonna be a winning player or a losing one at random, when you first deposit. They seed you either in the list where you're dealt good cards frequently or they seed you in the shitty cards list and you're pretty much fucked.
Look, now. I've been seeded in FT in the good cards, so I am making profit. I ain't leaving this room cause if I wanna try on Stars and they seed me in the crappy list my whole roll is done with.

So just seek a room that seeds you in the good cards and stick with it! :f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup:


You should all watch the film 'Rounders' lol

Poker is no luck but to have a bit will serve you well.


Most importing to work on, is your hitting skill. If you can hit great cards with 72o, youre da bomb!


Berzerger
Joined: 24.03.2008

Originally posted by mishkagg
Sure it's all luck.
And what's worse - card rooms decide whether you're gonna be a winning player or a losing one at random, when you first deposit. They seed you either in the list where you're dealt good cards frequently or they seed you in the shitty cards list and you're pretty much fucked.
Look, now. I've been seeded in FT in the good cards, so I am making profit. I ain't leaving this room cause if I wanna try on Stars and they seed me in the crappy list my whole roll is done with.

So just seek a room that seeds you in the good cards and stick with it! :f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup:

This is a level, right?


sirilidion
Joined: 15.04.2008

poker is indeed a game of luck, Because I am lucky I can find a lot of fishes at my table every day


mishkagg
Joined: 29.07.2008

Originally posted by Berzerger

Originally posted by mishkagg
Sure it's all luck.
And what's worse - card rooms decide whether you're gonna be a winning player or a losing one at random, when you first deposit. They seed you either in the list where you're dealt good cards frequently or they seed you in the shitty cards list and you're pretty much fucked.
Look, now. I've been seeded in FT in the good cards, so I am making profit. I ain't leaving this room cause if I wanna try on Stars and they seed me in the crappy list my whole roll is done with.

So just seek a room that seeds you in the good cards and stick with it! :f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup:

This is a level, right?

Yeah. A very nice one I think. I post it every time people claim poker is all about luck. :f_biggrin: :f_biggrin:


jbpatzer
Joined: 23.11.2009

Originally posted by mishkagg

Originally posted by Berzerger

Originally posted by mishkagg
Sure it's all luck.
And what's worse - card rooms decide whether you're gonna be a winning player or a losing one at random, when you first deposit. They seed you either in the list where you're dealt good cards frequently or they seed you in the shitty cards list and you're pretty much fucked.
Look, now. I've been seeded in FT in the good cards, so I am making profit. I ain't leaving this room cause if I wanna try on Stars and they seed me in the crappy list my whole roll is done with.

So just seek a room that seeds you in the good cards and stick with it! :f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup:

This is a level, right?

Yeah. A very nice one I think. I post it every time people claim poker is all about luck. :f_biggrin: :f_biggrin:

Are you going to share your statistical analysis of the hands you get with us?


NatRPheM
Joined: 05.10.2008

I wish these kinda threads where banned. It is proven that poker is not a luck game, its like EVERYTHING else in life, the one with more knowledge has an edge, it cant really be that hard to understand can it?


mishkagg
Joined: 29.07.2008

Originally posted by jbpatzer
Are you going to share your statistical analysis of the hands you get with us?

Dude what I typed was a joke. :f_cool:


Originally posted by VilaRestal
The problem is the only real long-term in statistics is infinity.

How long a 'short-term' spell of unluckiness lasts is about as long as a piece of string.

A piece of string is twice as long as it is from the middle to the end so as poker players all we have to do is stretch the string on the second half. Win lots when your running good, Loose little when your running bad Thats not difficult


jbpatzer
Joined: 23.11.2009

Originally posted by mishkagg

Originally posted by jbpatzer
Are you going to share your statistical analysis of the hands you get with us?

Dude what I typed was a joke. :f_cool:

I'm old. You have to wave a huge sign saying JOKE if you want me to keep up! :f_biggrin: