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[Closed] NL100 SH QQ vs fish

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kevvu
Joined: 11.05.2008

Villain aggr. fish with big WTS.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($47.99)
Hero ($113)
UTG ($20.75)
UTG+1 ($128)
CO ($102)
BTN ($81.10)

Dealt to Hero Q♠ Q♥

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.50, Hero raises to $4, SB calls $3

FLOP ($8) J♥ 7♣ T♦

SB bets $1, Hero raises to $5, SB calls $4

TURN ($18) J♥ 7♣ T♦ 9♥

SB checks, Hero bets $9, SB raises to $18, Hero calls $9

I bet small to induce bluff and let worser pair hands to call. And he x/raised so i decided to call to induce river bluff.

RIVER ($54) J♥ 7♣ T♦ 9♥ 9♠

SB bets $20.99 (AI), Hero calls $20.99

9 is even good card cause if he somehow hand two pair then i now beat him.


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Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

Make it $8+ on the flop for value.

On the turn I'd check behind. You can't call a decent sized c/r and he's probably just going to fold worse hands on this very scary board anyway, so there's not much sense in betting.

I don't think the 9 on the river is a good card actually.
you're ahead of JT now, that's correct. But if he had 9x you're behind. And he still has straights in his range while it's extremely unlikely he has air.
Also there's not too much sense for him in turning JT into a bluff, so I'd probably fold on the river.


MP89EST
Joined: 30.03.2008

Isnt it possibel to valub T vs GS Jx Tx and maybe even vs 7x? But if his WTS is like 40% arent we good most of time with our overpair on river ? And his stacksize is small also. On river we get odds atm almost 1 to 4 so can we still fold ?


VzLOM
Joined: 23.12.2007

Depends on what fish he is. Usually vs very spewy and passsive fish i just bet again for value even on 4str board. Cos theres still tons of Jx, At and so on. The "bad" think that we have oesd here and it will be sux to fold. If we dont have it i will most likely bet\fold turn here.


Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

While fish usually like to call down, they also don't think too much about ranges.
So when they see a 4straight or 4flush board and someone bets they don't think "he only has very few valuehands that can actually bet on this board". Instead there's something in the tune of "ZOMG there's a straight on the board and he bets, I'm going to make a tough laydown with my TPnokicker!!11".

So imo we have a ton of foldequity by betting the turn (which we don't want because the hands that fold are worse than ours), and even if he does call we will only get a maximum of one street of value, so we can as well check back and bet the river.


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