[Closed] 200NL - 5bet shove A9s here with "history"

I don't particularly like it because if he is tilting & 3-betting wider than usual then his calling range also becomes wider (and you are not that great against it).

And if he keeps playing the same, then you are not doing good too...

mrandom is right.
You're bad w A9 in both cases

Yep I agree with mrandom as well, if he maintains his ranges it's not the best spot (4betrange of 2.5% is pretty much KK+ and AK) and if he increases his 4bettingrange because he's tilted there's a good chance he also calls lighter - the next hands he's calling are QQ-TT and AQ, maybe AJ.

In general I feel like regs have kind of a "minitilt" sometimes, so for example some raise any2 on the button but don't just randomly 4bet or call 3bets because they realize this would be spewy and no one wants to be the guy who's tilting off stacks just because he was stacked.
Therefore I like the 3bet.

3b/fold looks good. If you had been in a 3bet pot with villain and he showed up with a hand like QJs (where he had 4b you pre) then you would have "history" of him 4betting light.

Since the only history we have in 3b pots has him with a strong value hand I don't want to take a chance here and I don't want to give him back the $ when he does make some light call of our 5b shove with AQ or something.

I´m currently experimenting with calling preflop these spots.

the plan is to

1) bluffcatch in case you hit Ax
2) in case you miss completely, call his Cbet and lead on the turn if you think he missed as well
3) in case you hit FD, play it aggressively

his BU range is wide enough to justify this play imo

ofc 3betting pre is fine, but the problem is that you have to fold against his 4bet bluff

the plan is to
1) bluffcatch in case you hit Ax

Are you calling him down all the way?

depends on his aggressivity and the board. But I am not afraid to call 2 barrels and can call it down to river sometimes as well.

The trick is you think a little on flop, then even use some seconds from time bank when thinking about call turn. That can make them think you are considering crying call with middle pair ♠_cool:

Many people represent ace frequently.

I have quite good results with this line recently. I used to bleed a lot in 3bet spots OOP w Axs so I decided to play it more carefully.

fyi, this is typical spot

I think you can win much more with calling pre then with 3betting

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$1/$2 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

Known players:
[tg]UTG2$88.00:///////;MP1$106.00:///////;MP2$201.00:///////;MP3$200.00:///////;CO$341.80:///////;BU$211.20:///////;SB (Hero)$271.40:///////;BB$242.70:///////;UTG1$445.35:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is SB with A:d, 9:d.
5 folds, CO raises to $6.00, BU folds, Hero calls $5.00, BB folds.

Flop: ($14) K:h, A:s, 5:h (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $8.00, Hero calls $8.00.

Turn: ($30) 3:s (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $22.00, Hero calls $22.00.

River: ($74) 6:s (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $40.00, Hero calls $40.00.

Final Pot: $154.
Results follow:

Hero shows a pair of aces(A:d 9:d).
CO shows a pair of jacks(J:s J:d).

Hero wins with a pair of aces(A:d 9:d).

Originally posted by jekyll001
I´m currently experimenting with calling preflop these spots.

the plan is to

1) bluffcatch in case you hit Ax
2) in case you miss completely, call his Cbet and lead on the turn if you think he missed as well
3) in case you hit FD, play it aggressively

his BU range is wide enough to justify this play imo

You are right, his range theoretically is wide enough to justify calling, but you are still OOP!
If you have some reads that make you want to call there I think it is ok, but I wouldn't start doing this myself.
Ofc if you feel confident you can go for it, but a good opponent will quickly realize what you're doing when you stick to 1), 2) and 3) - the donkbet on the turn is air always and on A high boards he will get cautious with weak Ax.

Originally posted by jekyll001
ofc 3betting pre is fine, but the problem is that you have to fold against his 4bet bluff

No you don't ;). If he's really 4betbluffing so much you can comfortably shove A9s!

Originally posted by Bierbaer
No you don't ;). If he's really 4betbluffing so much you can comfortably shove A9s!

haha ♦ I used to play half a year trying to find the best balance with 3bet folding / 5bet jamming and got plenty of experience with that. It is really high variance play and I can´t honestly recommend it to anyone because it is high variance play. Currently I have much more success with the passive plan as explained above (and ofc I don´t do it always, do it only when have a feeling that it is good which is actually almost always ♦ ).

I also sometimes 3bet and fold these hands pre - just wanted to say that I developed this new alternative line and it is good to balance and choose your reaction depending on situation.