[Closed] AT final table 40bb stacks multiway pot oop

squeeze fold to 4 bet or fold preflop, NEVER EVER CALLING in that spot
AT PLAYS VERY VERY BAD OOP VS OPEN AND COLD CALL

imo folding is on the tight side, squeeze is standard for me they have loose ranges and will folding a ton

Originally posted by TheRebuz
squeeze fold to 4 bet or fold preflop, NEVER EVER CALLING in that spot
AT PLAYS VERY VERY BAD OOP VS OPEN AND COLD CALL

imo folding is on the tight side, squeeze is standard for me they have loose ranges and will folding a ton

+1, Squeeze/Fold Pre

On the flop, its such a tricky spot!

You cant bet/fold, and check/fold is super weak! so once you get to this situation on that flop - its just a matter of trying to get the money in

Sabo

Originally posted by TheRebuz
squeeze fold to 4 bet or fold preflop, NEVER EVER CALLING in that spot
AT PLAYS VERY VERY BAD OOP VS OPEN AND COLD CALL

imo folding is on the tight side, squeeze is standard for me they have loose ranges and will folding a ton

I think AT plays fine especially on Txx boards. I agree I´m at quite bad sport at multiway, but if I decide to play for stacks then it usually deosn´t really matter. Question is if AT is good enough for that.
Generally I´m fine to squeeze and fold to 4-bet, but here players can easily either shove pp-s 66-99 or flat QQ-AA which doesn´t make my position really better.
But to fold there AT has to be really nitty and don´t think I should do that getting like 5:1 or so

Originally posted by sabo999

Originally posted by TheRebuz
squeeze fold to 4 bet or fold preflop, NEVER EVER CALLING in that spot
AT PLAYS VERY VERY BAD OOP VS OPEN AND COLD CALL

imo folding is on the tight side, squeeze is standard for me they have loose ranges and will folding a ton

+1, Squeeze/Fold Pre
On the flop, its such a tricky spot!
You cant bet/fold, and check/fold is super weak! so once you get to this situation on that flop - its just a matter of trying to get the money in
Sao
#2

its better to call 68s here, then ATo
raise/fold is a possible line
but standard its a fold

without reads I just fold here ... but its no bad spot for a squezze, if the vills are weak

Squeeze is very good here, i would deff do it.

Flop is a very difficult decision. I calculated our equity:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

12,263,643 games 0.073 secs 167,995,109 games/sec

Board: 4c 2d Th
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 37.075% 29.40% 07.67% 3605630 941109.33 { ATo }
Hand 1: 32.772% 30.61% 02.16% 3753792 265237.33 { 99+, AKs, ATs, KTs, QTs, JTs, T9s, AKo, ATo, KTo, QTo, JTo, T9o }
Hand 2: 30.153% 23.77% 06.38% 2914965 782909.33 { JJ-TT, ATs, KTs, QTs, JTs, T9s, ATo, JTo }

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14,750,505 games 0.129 secs 114,345,000 games/sec

Board: 4c 2d Th
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.197% 33.29% 06.91% 4910486 1018717.33 { ATo }
Hand 1: 32.917% 30.60% 02.31% 4514164 341306.33 { 99+, AKs, ATs, KTs, QTs, JTs, T9s, AKo, ATo, KTo, QTo, JTo, T9o }
Hand 2: 26.886% 21.47% 05.42% 3166965 798866.33 { JJ-TT, ATs, KTs, QTs, JTs, T9s, ATo, KTo, JTo }

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I dont how much equity do we need when we shove. We will most of worse hands to fold. I think a cash game player could help your decision better here.

but EQ in cash game and MTT EQ is different thing

in cash games u should play every hand optimal for max value and so on....

but in MTT u got to think about FEQ more then pot EQ cos if, ITM efect etc..in cash game u can reload when ur short here u can reload when u loose 1/2 ur stack late in MTT
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chips won and chips loose in MTT dont have same value, when in cash game chips won = chips loose

Originally posted by TheRebuz
chips won and chips loose in MTT dont have same value, when in cash game chips won = chips loose

Very interesting. Have chips loose more value than chips won in a MTT ?

yes
depending on chip stack chips loose are more valuable later in MTT then chips won

cos in MTT is all about bulling people and having fold eq

imo

in NL cash game chips have same value all the time, in MTT chips lost have more value than chips gain at some points,

in NL cash u can make big mistakes reload and in 1-2 big hands later all mistakes are erased u r big winer in MTT couple of mistakes u r busted,

in cash NL u can play only lets say 20 starting hands and be a winer never cold bluff just betting ur good hands (for value), in MTT u cant do that u got to pick ur spots and take the best of it sometimes ull got to shove with K2 off in NL cash u never got to do that, blinds and antes are not killing u in NL, cash game

in MTT u need big stack to bully players around and push him out of their hands, in NL u cant do that - very big stack in NL is some kind of handicap cos people are looking forward to double up of ur stack etc........

in MTT u can play perfectly and never won an MTT in a long run, but in NL cash if u play good ur always winner in long run with xbb/100 hands

there is much more luck involved in MTT then cash games, as Harrington says: MTT are a lottery, every player have a ticket (buy in) and chance to win it... but cos there is skill involved better players have more then 1 ticket to win it (odds to win) and some guys are so bad that they dont even have a ticket

Originally posted by TheRebuz
but cos there is skill involved better players have more then 1 ticket to win it (odds to win) and some guys are so bad that they dont even have a ticket

What a great comparation

i think TheRebuz answer ur question, if not ... just open the thread again