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[Closed] 0,25/0,50 2 x bet river for value?

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0,25/0,50 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.7 by www.pokerstrategy.cc.

Preflop: Hero is BU with Q♠, K♠. CO posts a blind of $0,25.
6 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: (7,40 SB) 9♠, Q♥, J♥ (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (4,70 BB) 5♠ (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls.

River: (6,70 BB) A♥ (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6,70 BB

Overcard and flush-draw completed on river, so I was afraid of a check-raise. But he could still call a worse Q or a J. What do you think?

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0,25/0,50 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.7 by www.pokerstrategy.cc.

Preflop: Hero is BU with K♦, K♣
3 folds, MP2 raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7,40 SB) 4♠, 2♦, 6♠ (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (5,70 BB) 7♥ (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (11,70 BB) 9♥ (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13,70 BB

Up to the turn 3-bet it's standard. But then. Only a set or Aces beat me (straight is not very likely given pre-flop action), so I think this may have been too weak. Cap turn? Raise river?


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abzupfer
Joined: 13.04.2006

1) His pfr would be interesting to see what Q and J hands he could have raised from the CO. Since he didn't cap preflop, AA, KK, QQ are not likely. Maybe AK AJ.
AQ, KQ, QJ would have raised somewhere.

I wouldn't expect a worse hand calling often from a normal player. He also migh have an A and be afraid of the flush or 2pair/set at your side and play check-call river.

2) I would play the turn like you did. AA, QQ and JJ are all possible (even KK ;) )
If he is the very aggressive type maybe cap turn but then I would still only flat call the river.

Only question is why didnt he cap preflop if he has a high pocketpair. But thats still possible after he checkraises you on the flop. Wouldnt expect to see 66 here.


frzl
Joined: 25.04.2006

1) river is a value bet for me. an open raise from the CO could mean sooo many hands. i think he would have donked a flush and he will call so many hands we can still beat like QT, Q8, JT maybe even J8 or T9

2) should be ok. standard line against unknown. but maybe it´s a good move to 3-bet the turn, call a cap and raise the turn again. i remember a similiar sample hand last week. i will have a look. but i´m not sure if a flop cap would scare him too much.
//edit: http://www.pokerstrategy.com/wbb_en/thread.php?threadid=7573
hm it´s pretty different ;). i think the standard line is best here.

@abzupfer:
many people won´t cap JJ, TT or even QQ preflop. just look at our shc: we don´t cap TT or JJ either


1) I check it behind. You can bet it with reads (stats) or if you say he will play the following hands different:

Board: Ah Qh Jh 9s 5s
Dead:

Equity Wins Splite Losses Hand
Spieler 1: 32,558% 29,070% 6,977% 63,953% KsQs
Spieler 2: 67,442% 63,953% 6,977% 29,070% TT, AQs-A9s, K9s+, QTs+, AQo-A9o, K9o+, QJo

2) He might have lower pockets or some weird trash hands so without read I like the hand.