[Closed] 0.25/0.50 hand from public private coaching 31.08

Ok I'll add it for you.

EDIT: done

Ah ok thank you. But the 3rd line is not ok, because we assume to play against unknown, and then we can not assume that he would raise QQ on that Flop.
So from QQ we might would get between 0.5BB cause QQ will often call the Flop but never calls a Bet on the Turn.

Don´t forget in this hand we do not assume QQ on the Turn anymore. We only assume AK, KK or AA, and in this spot AK is the most likely hand of our opponent. He could hold 3 combos of KK, but 6 combos for AK. So we donk the River, because AK often will check behind on the River and we do not want to miss Value against these hands, because they have to call. Thats why we play Bet/Call on the River.

Can you edit this thoughts into your calculation as well ciRith? Especially whats more profitable for us when we assume that Villain holds either AA, KK or AK. AA does not matter since it would be a split pot. But only from the Turn on. The Flop was played Donk/Call.

And I´m sure that my line is better here.

The flop raise with QQ is only the first line and that's your line.

So you want me to delete the QQ from line 1? Because if you say he won't raise QQ here he only has AA, AK and KK which he will raise the flop with.

If he has AK we win 6 times 3 BB and loose 3 times 4BB (KK will be raised at the river definatly!)

Makes 6*3-3*4+1*0 (AA) +6*0 (QQ) = 6BB/16 = 0,375BB each time.

Now let's see line 3 without the QQ at the turn (Let's say he fold them to a turnbet from us and only bet it 50% of the time at the flop.)

6 times we win 3,5BB from AK (he will raise AK from time to time so I like to say he raises with them 50% of the time)
3 times we loose 4BB verus KK and split again against AA.

6*3,5-3*4+1*0+6*0,5 = 12BB/16 = 0,75BB each time.

But I guess I understood something wrong?

EDIT: I'm off now. I'll have a look into it again later the day.

Originally posted by kappe69
0,10/0,20 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is SB with A♣, A♦
UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises, 4 folds, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, MP1 caps, Hero calls.

Flop: (9,00 SB) 4♣, 7♣, K♦ (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls.

I mean to calculate the hand from this point on. We donked the Flop and got raised. Against Unknown who capped we have to put him on AA, KK or AK. So I would like to see a comparison calculation between my line check/call Turn, Bet/Call River against every other suggested line, assuming we would only play against AA, KK or AK. Nobody should and can really assume QQ as the opponents hand.

And do not tell me we are on the microlimits and that these players are bet. We assume to play against a reasonable player. And I guess this hand is a good example for higher limits as well.

my line is the best 4 sure ♦

QQ is in his capping line for 100% or else AK will be suspended as well.

AFTER the flop the QQ is nott in anymore BUT until his raise it is in his line so we have to include it into our calculation!

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Donk flop line:

We gain/lose:

0BB against QQ (fold to flop donk) - 6 possibilities
0BB against AA (split) - 1 possibility
3BB against AK (1BB flop, 1BB turn and 1BB river) - 6 possibilities
-4BB against KK (1BB flop, 1BB turn and 2BB river) - 3 possibilities

= 0*6 + 0*1 + 3*6 + (-4)*3 = 6

6 / 16 = 0,375BB

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Check/raise flop line:

We gain/lose:

0BB against QQ (check flop behind, fold to turnbet) - 6 possibilities
0BB against AA (spli) - 1 possibility
3,5BB against AK (1BB flop, 1,5BB turn, 1 BB river) - 6 possibilities
-4BB again KK (1BB flop, 2BB turn, 1BB river) - 3 possibilities

= 0*6 + 0*1 + 3,5*6 + (-4)*3 = 9

9 / 16 = 0,5625BB

I think we cango with that. This is against a weak TAG. A good TAG will bet the flop if we check to him everytime which makes the check/raise even better. He will NEVER raise a donk with QQ.
Bad players which are the majority on 0,10/0,20 might check the flop BUT calldown QQ but again only LAGs will raise a donk with QQ.

Or do I still missunderstand you? It doesn't make any difference in the above calculation whether QQ are in it or not. We gain more at the turn with the check/raise if he only has AA, AK and KK.