PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 16 Tournament, 100/200 Blinds 25 Ante (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB (t1770)
BB (t4450)
Hero (UTG) (t2780)
MP (t3115)
Button (t1385)
Hero's M: 6.54
Preflop: Hero is UTG with J
, J
Hero bets t460, MP raises to t3090 (All-In), 3 folds, Hero?
Villain is a reg
Hmm, I would just shove pre JJ with 13BB stack and save myself from having to make decisions later..
Hmmm this is ugly, I like folding given stack sizes and the strength of his shove (MP vs UTG). Who's the reg?
BornSurvivor . he has 7% ROI over like 50K games but he also plays higher stakes ($27 $38 iirc)
Originally posted by LgWz
Hmmm this is ugly, I like folding given stack sizes and the strength of his shove (MP vs UTG). Who's the reg?
this...... urgh....
you have to be CERTAIN he is shoving 99+ AQ+ to call here.
if hes only on TT+ AK its a fold.
i like r/c, open shoving isnt optimal
Originally posted by deVall3y
BornSurvivor . he has 7% ROI over like 50K games but he also plays higher stakes ($27 $38 iirc)
+ what <3 said = fold, I find it hard to believe he can have 99 here.
Originally posted by lessthanthreee
Originally posted by LgWz
Hmmm this is ugly, I like folding given stack sizes and the strength of his shove (MP vs UTG). Who's the reg?this...... urgh....
you have to be CERTAIN he is shoving 99+ AQ+ to call here.
if hes only on TT+ AK its a fold.
i like r/c, open shoving isnt optimal
Could you give your opinion why open shoving JJ with 13bb stack is not optimal? Is it because we are loosing value when people fold marginal hands to our shove which they might try to resteal with ? Or that we might still find a fold button and save our ~11BB stack to some resteals?
Originally posted by zamoda
Could you give your opinion why open shoving JJ with 13bb stack is not optimal? Is it because we are loosing value when people fold marginal hands to our shove which they might try to resteal with ? Or that we might still find a fold button and save our ~11BB stack to some resteals?
yes, we are losing value against players that will re-steal worse but fold to a shove.
and yes, we can r/f in spots like this!
shoving is +EV but r/c and the very rare r/f are +++EV
okey so bottom line, in such situations it's obvious that maybe raising is better in order to get value from worse. Then again do we call a reshove against a solid reg or do we just fold ? I couldn't really understand what the outcome of this hand evaluation was :-s
we are putting a solid reg on TT+ AK+ only.
against that range we can only r/c QQ+
It's still close.. I think a lot of regs can reshove AQo here, don't know about bornsurvivor. In this spot I do lean towards folding aswell.
I see the merit of raise/... here, but the downside is that you will get (cold)called by fish here preflop which can lead to uggly spots on the flop.
IMO openshove hands worse then QQ and raise/call QQ+ AK
