This topic is really interesting to me.
I am not saying that every NL10 player will shove with a K high flush or worse ...
But some will.
I may well be uncovering a major leak in my game, but given the size of the pot and remaining investment needed is it not worth a call, unless we are absolutely sure that he would only shove with K :club:T 
here?
Well i didn't want to get into debate about how bad players on NL10 are.
Im just saying that somewhat decent opponent wont be shoving any worse hands for value on that river, so effectivly, even tho you do have the #2 nuts, your hand is nothing more then a bluff catcher at that point and a fold there is not as impossble as some people here seem to think and they just click call and write it off to a cooler/batbeat, which is definitely not the case in this hand.
But not that dumb. Apart from total maniac no NL10 players just would raise king hi flush here. If you play on site where ppl would shove in this spot every time, pls tell me where u play.
@Alficor1 - sorry - I was certainly overstating it. My point really is that you only need to be right 29% of the time - I think in this spot you will see something spazzy like a K high flush (together with random bluffs) more often than you will see a two card straight flush at NL10. For me at least, I see a lot more random spazzy plays than I see straight flushes (I'm playing NL10 Rush atm).
Wow, I didn't expect this hand to generate that much discussions ♦
Yeah, there are no hands that would raise here for value, that's not even worth a discussion. It's all about bluff. I think even shove with K high flush would also be a bluff here. But.. If you'd ask me if I have ever seen similar bluffs at NL10, I'd say yes. I've seen a couple of terrible bluff attempts being 200BB+ deep. One of them happened to me today: https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=116599
So my resume about this hand would be: it's +EV to call in this spot in NL10, but definitely -EV in higher limits, where even the best players wouldn't bluff like that.
And for those who say they would fold in this spot - I would LOVE to see that live, guys 
Everyone is smart and clever when they don't need to react and make a decision in real time. I once have read hand analysis about the famous AAAA vs. RF hand, and the author of that analysis gave some reasons to smooth call quad Aces on the river. Fuck yeah
Well it is an interesting discussion. Obviously you can't make this folds against fishes on micros that are capable of doing stupid bluffs with random cards. You can only fold against a good thinking opponent.
And looking at the quads A's hand. If you have AA and the board is A :heart:A :diamond:J :heart:T :heart:2 
the best possible hand that your opponent can have that you beat is JJ, and a good thinking opponent should be folding that if you shove 250BB over his river bet. In that case your hand will be good 99% of the time, but you will never get called by a worse hand against a capable opponent. But if this same hand is played against a fish who just hit a boat with 22 on the river and is going to snap you with that then you obviously have a value shove.
And what you sad about doing this in real time situation is kinda stupid. If your a good player you should be able to make good decisions on the table. Not saying its easy to make them when playing 12 tables and have around 20 seconds to make a decision.
The discussion is worthless actually. You gave the situation where you say you would easily fold JJ. OK, when I'll see that myself - I will believe you. These spots occur relatively often, but only similar fold I remember was Romanello's fold on WSOP. Where are all those other hero folds from top players? That's because theory differs from practice.
For now we can say whatever we want and give reasonable arguments for that.
I know Romanello a bit and he can make huge folds without it bothering him, he's cetainly a tough player. Personally, I go broke at my fishy level quads and top set most boards all day long and write it off, but then that's probably why I'm not a diamond or playing higher up. 
Obviously the AAAA hand is a made up hand but in that case if you got JJ, TT your not only afraid of AA and KQh, also AJ and AT is a big part of his range so if your not folding TT and JJ on the river in 250BB pots thats imo a mistake. Obviously your play also depends on your opponents image as well as your own image Obviously the spots where you can fold a boat with 100BB are very rare, but in deep pots you can definitely get away from your bottom boat.
And on Romanello hand the board was totatly different with the bottom card being paired instead of A being paired considering there are more AX hand in his range then TX hands and you still beat Tx boats that he might valueraise there, but i guess Romanello didn't put any TX hands in his preflop range so its kinda impossible to say if the fold was good or bad with out knowing the whole hand history on that table and how nitty his opponent was.
I guess my point is that a lot of players just call in this spots and write it off to coolers and how unlucky they are instead of actually thinking about a hand.
Well that was my point actually, why analyse the hand in very theoretical way when the most important things (table dynamics, history between opponents, leveling, etc) are outside our analyse.
Originally posted by MatejM47
Originally posted by Bliausmas
Yeah, sick one.. Somehow reminded me of this
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comSB ($12.20)
BB ($18.74)
UTG ($7.75)
MP ($10.73)
Hero (CO) ($24.21)
Button ($17.53)Preflop: Hero is CO with A
, A
2 folds, Hero bets $0.30, Button calls $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20Flop: ($0.95) 5
, 4
BB checks, Hero bets $0.70, Button calls $0.70, 1 foldTurn: ($2.35) 9
Hero bets $1.60, Button calls $1.60River: ($5.55) J
Hero bets $5, Button raises to $14.93 (All-In), Hero calls $9.93Total pot: $35.41 | Rake: $2
Results:
Button had K
Hero had A
Outcome: Button won $33.41What exactly did you expect him to show up with after you pot the river and he jams in 150bb?
Wow...such a dumb statement...really weird how some people got to Diamond around here.
Originally posted by Ribic87
http://www.pokerstrategy.com/poker-hand-converter/handreplayer/hands/604680/
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Why didn't you cbet the flop? It's a bet/stackoff flop against that shorty imho. By check/calling you just put yourself on a tough spot. Checking the turn was also bad idea. Only a bluff will bet to you on this board, but considering the board texture I'd say bluff is very unlikely (unless your opponent is a maniac), so you just lose value here and give him a free card.
And that's an usual loss I'd say, nothing special. He had a pretty decent chance to outdraw you on the river.
Hi.
Ty for ur explanation. I didnt bet on the flop because i did want to get turn card to see cheaply as possible. And yes ur rigth i should shove allin at the turn, but i thougth my top flush would be enough. And river was baddest card ever. Still i didnt loose so much. Next time ill remember ur advice.
Tnx R.
Well it's a little problem with free turn card - you are out of position and don't know if your opponent checks behind (which probably means he gives up and you won't win much even if you hit your flush), or retakes the initiative and attacks himself. Glad to hear that my advice helped
