NL50 FR – AA (missed value bet)

Faye6891

Joined: 09.11.2007

15.12.2007, 05:50 0

Titan No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25/$0.50BB (Titan HH Converter by Kreatief)

MP2 ($84.18)
MP3 ($56.35)
CO ($10.00)
Button ($46.95)
SB ($24.10)
BB ($48.50)
UTG ($24.27)
UTG+1 ($37.40)
UTG+2 ($86.99)
MP1 ($50.00) (Hero)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A♦, A♥
UTG calls $0.50, 1 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, MP2 calls $2.50, 5 folds, UTG calls $2.00, 1 folds

Flop: 2♦, 9♠, J♣ ( $8.75 )
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks,

The board is not too dangerous, so I decided to check for pot control.

Turn: 3♦ ( $8.75 )
UTG checks, Hero bets $5.80, 1 folds, UTG calls $5.80,

River: Q♣ ( $20.35 )
UTG checks, Hero checks,

I think I missed a valuebet here in the end.

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24 replies

chenny8888

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15.12.2007, 06:38 0

i agree, but i don't think (donkey) villain was calling with his busted flush draw

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_Anonymous_

15.12.2007, 10:53 0

I think that a check on the flop is a big mistake here. U got descent hand that u still have to protect (giving 2 players a freecard in a raised pot will cost u a lot of money in the long run). By checking u miss value, protection and u get no information.

Bielanek

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15.12.2007, 11:51 0

IMHO Bet on flop of course. You gave free card to 3 players... Flop wasn't dangerosus, but Turn could be.

Sorry for my English, but I'm beginner.

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_Anonymous_

15.12.2007, 11:54 0

Originally posted by Bielanek
IMHO Bet on flop of course. You gave free card to 3 players... Flop wasn't dangerosus, but Turn could be.

Sorry for my English, but I'm beginner.

despite that, you are 100% right! J92 rainbow is not dangerous at all, except if villain shown you his cards, and they were j9 or 92 or j2 or jj, 99 or 22.

_Anonymous_

15.12.2007, 12:05 0

Don´t slow play a medium made hand, on a drawy board .
Should have bet the flop $7.The board is dangerous, you have a straight draw.
As played,I would have bet the river about $10

_Anonymous_

15.12.2007, 13:03 0

Bet flop and check the turn behind to induce bluffs + pot control. Dont check the flop

Faye6891

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Posts: 1,234

15.12.2007, 15:11 0

Originally posted by Bielanek
IMHO Bet on flop of course. You gave free card to 3 players... Flop wasn't dangerosus, but Turn could be.

Sorry for my English, but I'm beginner.

I had only 2 opponents... not 3

What do you mean by the turn could be dangerous?

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_Anonymous_

15.12.2007, 15:29 0

What do you mean by the turn could be dangerous?

if the turn comes 10, you are f-ed. Cause many players fancy playing 78 or KQ.

Faye6891

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15.12.2007, 15:34 0

So, I'd bet the flop and check turn? I certainly can't bet out all three streets.

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_Anonymous_

15.12.2007, 15:35 0

Originally posted by Faye6891
So, I'd bet the flop and check turn? I certainly can't bet out all three streets.

why not?

you want that guy to call you, who says after the showdown: "i thought you were bluffing", i love those :heart:

they will often put you on aq or ak, rule out the aces, i see that so often, its not even funny anymore.

Faye6891

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15.12.2007, 15:38 0

I'm not playing my entire stack with that hand. IMO, most of the time, only a better hand will be willing to play for their stacks.

Poker is just like sex: Everybody thinks they are good at it, but only a few know what they are doing.

_Anonymous_

15.12.2007, 15:39 0

Originally posted by Faye6891
I'm not playing my entire stack with that hand. IMO, most of the time, only a better hand will be willing to play for their stacks.

who said you had to play your entire stack? Just protect against draws, by raising 1/2 on flop and 4th, and blockbet the river. You bet 2/3 on 4th, that wasn't necessary if you put in 1/2 on the flop.

8.75 on the flop, you bet 400, then one caller (or none, but not 3, for shure!) and then you bet 8 on 4th, so you put in 12$ in total, thats not a lot for aces.

If youre so scared of losing with bullets, you should limp for setvalue, otherwise youll be outdrawn A LOT if you play like this...

Faye6891

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15.12.2007, 15:45 0

Originally posted by helemaalnicks

Originally posted by Faye6891
I'm not playing my entire stack with that hand. IMO, most of the time, only a better hand will be willing to play for their stacks.

who said you had to play your entire stack? Just protect against draws, by raising 1/2 on flop and 4th, and blockbet the river. You bet 2/3 on 4th, that wasn't necessary if you put in 1/2 on the flop.

8.75 on the flop, you bet 400, then one caller (or none, but not 3, for shure!) and then you bet 8 on 4th, so you put in 12$ in total, thats not a lot for aces.

If youre so scared of losing with bullets, you should limp for setvalue, otherwise youll be outdrawn A LOT if you play like this...

Of course I can't get three callers on the flop, I only have two opponents! LOL! ♦

No, $12 is not a lot to play here, but I wasn't thinking about a 1/2 pot bet on the flop.

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_Anonymous_

15.12.2007, 15:48 0

No, $12 is not a lot to play here, but I wasn't thinking about a 1/2 pot bet on the flop.

thats the best bet there imo. I only bet 2/3 on monchrome or 2flush boards, or very obvious straight draws.

_Anonymous_

15.12.2007, 15:59 0

U should remember that 29J board is not completely draw dry. Not only that there is a straight draw possibility (not very likely) also there might be a number of backdoor draws. Whats more important one or both players could have a pair (people tend to limp mid card hands) which draws to 2 pair or trips. Your hand has a vary weak improvement potential (2 outs) therefore it needs protection. I would bet both flop and turn and a small value bet on the river.

Faye6891

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15.12.2007, 16:06 0

Originally posted by rubysilesia
U should remember that 29J board is not completely draw dry. Not only that there is a straight draw possibility (not very likely) also there might be a number of backdoor draws. Whats more important one or both players could have a pair (people tend to limp mid card hands) which draws to 2 pair or trips. Your hand has a vary weak improvement potential (2 outs) therefore it needs protection. I would bet both flop and turn and a small value bet on the river.

How much would you bet on each street?

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_Anonymous_

15.12.2007, 16:18 0

2/3rd pot on the flop, 1/2 pot on the turn and small value bet on the river (the same size as on the turn).

_Anonymous_

15.12.2007, 16:21 0

Originally posted by rubysilesia
2/3rd pot on the flop, 1/2 pot on the turn and small value bet on the river (the same size as on the turn).

why 2/3 on the flop? If they are drawing for either the straight or 2 pair, they are making a mistake by calling 1/2. So betting 1/2 makes you sklansky dollars already, because you induce wrong calls. So why bet more?

_Anonymous_

15.12.2007, 16:26 0

I would bet 2/3rd pot because I would cbet the same having over cards. This way I'm not readable.

[Closed] NL50 FR - AA (missed value bet)