[Closed] Mansion vs. Titan Rakeback

CoreySteel · 2009-08-07T01:28:33Z

As I promised :) Here are calculations I just made. Enjoy. a. I will use my own data. You put FL FR 0.5/1 in calculators, my calculation will be based on my own hands on 0.5/1 FL SH (22395 hands). b. I will do several calculations. Some in favour of Mansion and some in favour of Titan (number of hands to reach xyz level rank). Titan and Mansion are on the same network, so rake is the same, but distribution of points isn't. That's why I wrote a script for Holdem Manager, which will calculate how many points I get with xyz hands on each platform. Numbers I will be using: Titan: Mansion: FL SH 0.5/1 Mansion/Titan 22395 hands 673,44$ rake 3BB/100 rake paid 1. Lets say, we make 15k hands on FL SH 0.5/1. Rake generated: 451,06$. Mansion Points generated: 12557,88 points. Titan Points generated: 10651,34. On Mansion we reach Pro Member Status (8k points), so we get boost of 150%. On Titan we reach Platinum Level (10k points), so we get boost of 60%. After boost Mansion: 31394,7 points Titan: 17042,14 points Lets say we buy 1000$ (480k points) bonus at Mansion and 800$ (80k points) at Titan. Mansion (31394,7/480000*1000) / 451,06 = 14,5% "rakeback" Titan (17042,14/80000*800) / 451,06 = 37,78% "rakeback" As it looks like, this case is closed, but I will do some more calculations anyway. 2. In previous calculation, we just reached Platinum level with 15k hands on Titan, so this time we will do less hands - 10k. Rake generated: 300,71$ Mansion Points generated: 8371,92. Titan Points generated: 7100,76. On Mansion we reach Pro Member Status (8k points), so we get boost of 150%. On Titan we reach Gold Level (5k points), so we get boost of 40%. After boost Mansion: 20929,8 points Titan: 9941,06 points We again buy 1k and 0.8k bonus. Mansion (20929,8/480000*1000) / 300,71 = 14,5% "rakeback" Titan (9941,06/80000*800) / 300,71 = 33,06% "rakeback" Difference is still HUGE. We know Mansion has 3 and 6 months bonuses too, so lets add them. 3 months (+30k on Pro level): ((3*20929,8 + 30000)/480000*1000) / (300,71*3) = 21,43% "rakeback". Still, not even close. What about 6 monhts? 6 monhts (+120750 on Pro level): ((6*20929,8 + 120750)/480000*1000) / (300,71*6) = 28,44% "rakeback". Close, but not close enough. 3. Ok, OK, maybe higher limits will do? Lets try FL SH 1/2 with just enough hands to hit Elite Member on Mansion (13k hands). FL SH 1/2 Mansion 23675 hands 1478,99$ rake 3,12BB/100 rake paid Rake generated: 874,59$ Mansion Points generated: 20228,95. Titan Points generated: 17548,39. On Mansion we reached Elite Member status (20k) so we get boost of 250%. On Titan we reached Titanium Level (17k, damn their VIP system is really bullet proof &diams;), so we get boost of 100%. After boost Mansion: 70801,33 points Titan: 35096,78 points Mansion (70801,33/480000*1000) / 874,59 = 16,9% "rakeback" Titan (35096,78/80000*800) / 874,59 = 40,1% "rakeback" LOL 3 months (+105000) ((3*70801,33 + 10500)/480000*1000) / (874,59*3) = 25,2% "rakeback". 6 months (+440000) ((6*70801,33 + 440000)/480000*1000) / (874,59*6) = 34,33% "rakeback". 6 months of grinding to be "close". 4. Just for fun. Let's hit the highest level possible at Mansion (420k hands per month). Rake generated: 26237$ Mansion Points: 606868. Titan Points: 526481 After boost Mansion: 3944642. Titan: 1158258. This time we buy 100k and 125k cash bonuses (maximum value possible for both). Mansion (3944642/32000000*100000) / 26237 = 46,98% "rakeback" Titan (1158258/7000000*125000) / 26237 = 78,83% "rakeback" No comment... Its 3:15AM but I will calculate for 6 months anyway, even though it's waste of time (obv). ((6*3944642 + 16000000)/32000000*100000) / (26237*6) = 78,75% "rakeback". SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO close. Better luck next time, Mansion. Final conclusion. Titan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mansion You'd need to grind for half a year as Diamond Club to be even. Good luck with that.

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peche025

Joined: 14.12.2008

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20.03.2010, 20:19 0

If I play NL50 FR about 20k hands/month. Will I got more rake back on FT or ipoker and which ipoker platform is best for me?

Thanks a lot for any help that you can offer.

_Anonymous_

29.01.2011, 08:28 0

Hi,

I've been playing at partypoker .25/.50 fl sh. I played 78k hands this month and got 1325 pp that is i paid $2650 rake. Can you say whether titan would be better for me or I'ld stick to partypoker.

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29.01.2011, 08:52 0

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JHTAN

Joined: 10.07.2010

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03.04.2011, 02:39 0

Hi guys,
I would like to ask is that the player pool is same for the Mansion and Titan?
Thanks.

_Anonymous_

03.04.2011, 14:23 0

Originally posted by JHTAN
Hi guys,
I would like to ask is that the player pool is same for the Mansion and Titan?
Thanks.

Hi JHTAN,

Yes, they both use the same network so the tables and tournaments would have players from all the ipoker providers (skins).

Sometimes a provider will run their own specific tournaments which would be restricted to just their own players, but the vast majority will be generic tournaments and include players from all providers, Mansion & Titan included.

Hope this helps, best regards,

Bart

Dodazzo

Joined: 28.07.2008

Posts: 3,303

10.05.2011, 11:28 0

Hello Everyone.

SB knows how many Points can I generate with something like 1K-1,5K rake on mansion (Playing 60/70K hands on NL50SH)?

I saw that the vips system had changed since the first post of this thread and i'm too lazy to re-do the calculation again ♦

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