[Closed] Why does everyone keep saying FT is rigged?

Originally posted by Sviestazis

Originally posted by Saruniks
Rigged means that not 100% of players make profit.

and what is so bad about it, in every game there is winners and loosers, we need to face it, in some poker games you will win big time in some games you will loose, am i crying that i loose pretty much, no, because i need to learn more about playing, but most of the crying players is noobs and dont know how to play, they even didnt read some usefull info about hands and what to do with them, they only play, make very stupid mistakes and then come here and cry: "oh, i just lost against 3-4, poker room is rigged or somthing". Come on, stop cry, grow up, learn or quit playing. Sorry for these words but i am sick of you, every day need to watch how ppl are crying.

Just saying, when you are running bad it's rigged, but when you are running 50 BI above buyin it's not rigged anymore.

Originally posted by Saruniks

Originally posted by Sviestazis

Originally posted by Saruniks
Rigged means that not 100% of players make profit.

and what is so bad about it, in every game there is winners and loosers, we need to face it, in some poker games you will win big time in some games you will loose, am i crying that i loose pretty much, no, because i need to learn more about playing, but most of the crying players is noobs and dont know how to play, they even didnt read some usefull info about hands and what to do with them, they only play, make very stupid mistakes and then come here and cry: "oh, i just lost against 3-4, poker room is rigged or somthing". Come on, stop cry, grow up, learn or quit playing. Sorry for these words but i am sick of you, every day need to watch how ppl are crying.

Just saying, when you are running bad it's rigged, but when you are running 50 BI above buyin it's not rigged anymore.

sorry, didnt ment my text on you, my text was for those babies who cry all the time ♦

For my point :

EVERY POKER SITE IS RIGGED !

But the rigness is limited XD!

A computer or program is logic so it can't really be random.

A RNG will try to simulate the randomness of dealing RL card but it will never be 100% random.

The audited program etc just need to be higher than the legal % that the RNG must simulate then they will get a true and fair view result.

Now for my bias opinion : Full tilt is rigged !The bad beat are higher there to be a successful player on FT you must learn that the starting hand ranking is not high card but set !

That just my fish opinion but Note that i play on FT am at 20 month lost more than $1,500 without depositing 1 c.

Playing for bonus mid yr bonus year end bonus is quite profitable for me twice a year

PS : noooo i dont think i lost 1500 maybe 600 or 800 ?

Originally posted by Cpwpoker
A computer or program is logic so it can't really be random.

A RNG will try to simulate the randomness of dealing RL card but it will never be 100% random.

The audited program etc just need to be higher than the legal % that the RNG must simulate then they will get a true and fair view result.

Wow,thats just...They are not using a single RNG.For the distribution of the 52 cards they use multiple RNG's and it's what they call "RNG in RNG".It is each set for a certain value of the deck,suit,number (11-Jack,15-Ace),to make them not repeat or joint deal.

x -> [1;2;3;4;5;6;7;8;9;10;11;12;13;14;15]

"Xn+1=(aX + b) mod m" = linear congruential generator

The RNG that software that poker sites use are complex and are probably more random than the dealer's shuffle.

AND OMG,i already explained this before, a bad beat is a statistical improbabilty,but because online,you play so many hands,the chances of that to happen are exponentially increased.

Here is a hypothesis.In a country,every day 10 people are born.1 is a clerk,1 is a teacher,1 is a banker,1 is a policeman,1 is a doctor,1 is a firefighter,1 is thief,1 is a salesman,1 is a douchebag,0.3 a genius athlete,0.5 a genius operational-verbal-logic guy,0.2 a genius writer.

Take the same country,but with 1000 people born every day,with that pattern.The chances of one type of genius being born,increase nontheless,compared to the first 10 people/day country.

This is ofc,a hyperbola,and an absurdity,but do you get the comparison?

The same is with the number of hands in poker.The % of bad beats increases proportionally with the % of hands.

Well,if there is another country

Originally posted by Alficor1

Originally posted by furculision
Don't listen to WAIBOY!!!

HE IS ONE OF THEM!!!

I'll bet that he is bathing right now in FT money for replying those posts!!!

SPAWN OF SATAN,BEGONE!!!

Is that para-filtered?

Biscuits,anyone?

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what I think is rigged is outcome. Not sure why it is. And I am not trying to find out.. They know!

I just know that losing AK vs K7 over large number of hands or similar hands that are 75-25 is not normal. This happens even live. But over large sample it does not vary that much. Say it will be 60-40 its fine. But not the fuck the way it is on FTP. I get two pairs on turn where we ship he always hits his miracle card with 20% or less. No way this can be. Losing all the fucking time playing good and putting my hands in good? One have to be fucking tired from this.. And those idiots there will call you every fucking time not saying that they don't understand why they win and if they do then something smelly goes around. Defo..

How can someone call your shove on flop with J7s deepstacks? YOu have AQ flop is Q32 and he calls you with that? There is no backdoor flush or anything? Explain me why this is happening there and they win and why it is not happening in such mass percentage on stars, for example?

Hmm?

Do those motherfuckers know something I don't? How many times you'll go down BI with such a play live? Can anyone tell me? Don't come to me with shit like: check your stats. Coz I am only going to kick your ass!

why the fuck would you try to understand the game so once you understand the odds and everything you get fucked up and every motherfucker will just come and say: its variance?

LOL

This won't work with me. Not for Full Tilt There goes no variance. Just plain riggedness

omfg what cant you understand, you know why players call and raise with crappy cards? They dont know how to play and they dont care, they just risk and call with hope maybe i will get and win and they are, like i said cards coming out randomly and you need to be lucky to get your card on table even if you have a strong AK or somthing like that, nowhere is writed or told if you have AK in hand you are 100% winner but seems like some of you guys think you are, yea okey for AK is way much bigger odds to win but that is not enough.

You writed Pokerstars have this crap less are you serious are you flipin serious? I just left Pokerstars because of there funny river, only way i loose tournament is because of river, i cant tell you examples because i dont remember them correctly, but i have like 1000 situation where river screw me up big time, can you imagine? All my looses and loosing tournament by it self is only because of rivers, was getting really mad and start to scream that they have something rigged there, but i know i am wrong, but somehow rivers there for me is so freaking strange and unlucky, then i tryed Full tilt and you know what, im pretty succesfull and at moment i cant tell any bad words about cards that coming out, only good, because sometimes river is helping me out, what i cant tell about poker stars, here is your story and pokerstars is less shity.

Sorry about my english i hope you will understand my text correctly ♦

you are right to ask this,i played in other poker rooms for years but started at FT this time and noticed that a lot players say that is rigged..shall i worry?!
nice post..

Originally posted by mariostoona
you are right to ask this,i played in other poker rooms for years but started at FT this time and noticed that a lot players say that is rigged..shall i worry?!
nice post..

if you readed my post top of yours then no you dont need to be worry, i am feeling very very comfortable in Full tilt, cant say same about Poker Stars lately, just play your best, use brain and dont bluf too much and you will be okey.

Originally posted by mariostoona
you are right to ask this,i played in other poker rooms for years but started at FT this time and noticed that a lot players say that is rigged..shall i worry?!
nice post..

You should worry imo.... FTP is rigged

The same is with the number of hands in poker.The % of bad beats increases proportionally with the % of hands.

This is wrong. The % should be the same. Only the number of bad beats should increase with the number of hands. This is my problem on FTP: the % is way too high....

Originally posted by furculision

Originally posted by Cpwpoker
A computer or program is logic so it can't really be random.

A RNG will try to simulate the randomness of dealing RL card but it will never be 100% random.

The audited program etc just need to be higher than the legal % that the RNG must simulate then they will get a true and fair view result.

Wow,thats just...They are not using a single RNG.For the distribution of the 52 cards they use multiple RNG's and it's what they call "RNG in RNG".It is each set for a certain value of the deck,suit,number (11-Jack,15-Ace),to make them not repeat or joint deal.

x -> [1;2;3;4;5;6;7;8;9;10;11;12;13;14;15]

"Xn+1=(aX + b) mod m" = linear congruential generator

The RNG that software that poker sites use are complex and are probably more random than the dealer's shuffle.

AND OMG,i already explained this before, a bad beat is a statistical improbabilty,but because online,you play so many hands,the chances of that to happen are exponentially increased.

Here is a hypothesis.In a country,every day 10 people are born.1 is a clerk,1 is a teacher,1 is a banker,1 is a policeman,1 is a doctor,1 is a firefighter,1 is thief,1 is a salesman,1 is a douchebag,0.3 a genius athlete,0.5 a genius operational-verbal-logic guy,0.2 a genius writer.

Take the same country,but with 1000 people born every day,with that pattern.The chances of one type of genius being born,increase nontheless,compared to the first 10 people/day country.

This is ofc,a hyperbola,and an absurdity,but do you get the comparison?

The same is with the number of hands in poker.The % of bad beats increases proportionally with the % of hands.

Well,if there is another country

Like i said was my fish opinion XD!

Thx for the details even if i dont understand anything ♦

But the thing that always bothered me with ftp is that the card is in continuous suffle while pokerstar the shuffle is set (forget where i read this)

If it was really like RL game it should not continue to shuffle the card during the flop turn and river !

For me this continuous shuffle always bothered me .

Originally posted by Albeback

The same is with the number of hands in poker.The % of bad beats increases proportionally with the % of hands.

This is wrong. The % should be the same. Only the number of bad beats should increase with the number of hands. This is my problem on FTP: the % is way too high....

Play 1000k hands and than show us the procentage (using HEM or some other analitical tool)...untill then you got no proof, so shut the f*** up!

Just Face it variance is high in poker. I have played online sit n goes for 5 years on many different sites and playing mainy tight aggressive abc poker. This style should keep the variance down to a minimum . I still have have had lots of runs of 20+ games without a cash where Ak has been constantly beaten by Ax etc ♠_mad:. This is quite normal.

Originally posted by TiciBoy

Originally posted by Albeback

The same is with the number of hands in poker.The % of bad beats increases proportionally with the % of hands.

This is wrong. The % should be the same. Only the number of bad beats should increase with the number of hands. This is my problem on FTP: the % is way too high....

Play 1000k hands and than show us the procentage (using HEM or some other analitical tool)...untill then you got no proof, so shut the f*** up!

Oh really?

And you think you are right? Hmmm.... I guess you have the 1mil hands to prove it is not rigged. And rigged is a metaphor btw.
Although even 1mil hands is nothing compared to the total number of hands played on FTP. I will email them to send me the HH for all the hands to check.

Why do you think I am saying the % is way too high? I have actually checked this in HEM. And yes I do not have 1mil hands but I have about 65k. And in allins instead of +x I am -2x in chips cause I am playing tournaments only.
And I really don't mind getting sucked out (I am used to it) but on FTP it seems really too much. And what I hate most is that I keep ending up in setups pretty much every time i have a stack and I obv almost never suck out. I do not mind when I have 15-20bb and get sucked out but lately I was constantly sucked out/coolered for 60bb+ with 2-4 tables left.
Maybe you and a lot of other people run ok on FTP but I feel like I'm running like shit since I started to play there.

This is wrong. The % should be the same. Only the number of bad beats should increase with the number of hands. This is my problem on FTP: the % is way too high....

LOL,how could it be the same?THE GROWTH IS DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL.

The % of bad beats will grow directly proportional with the number of hands.

I already showed you an analogy,read it attentively.

No. Only the number should increase. The % should be the same. It is quite obvious. I think you did not understand.

Originally posted by Cpwpoker
A RNG will try to simulate the randomness of dealing RL card but it will never be 100% random.

You are wrong about this.