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No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 150/300 Blinds (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t3086)
BB (t1695)
UTG (t2765)
Hero (Button) (t5954)

Hero's M: 13.23

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, 4
1 fold, Hero bets t5929, 1 fold, BB calls t1370

Flop: (t3490) 9, A, 5 (2 players)

Turn: (t3490) 5 (2 players)

River: (t3490) J (2 players)

Total pot: t3490

According to icm wizard this is a fold, I really wonder why? we are on the bubble i cover all their stacks so i thought they only called really really tight?

Is this a fold or shove?


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007
BlackMember

Your assumption is bit wrong. BB has less than 5bb left and is clearly short stack. So his calling range is pretty wide.


_Anonymous_ Topic starter
_Anonymous_

Originally posted by ghaleon
Your assumption is bit wrong. BB has less than 5bb left and is clearly short stack. So his calling range is pretty wide.

Okey but I watched a video and he said that if we are on bubble and the players have less than 10bb u can push any 2, did i understand this wrong or how does it work?


ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007
BlackMember

Originally posted by Heffron89

Originally posted by ghaleon
Your assumption is bit wrong. BB has less than 5bb left and is clearly short stack. So his calling range is pretty wide.

Okey but I watched a video and he said that if we are on bubble and the players have less than 10bb u can push any 2, did i understand this wrong or how does it work?

Check stack sizes in that video situation. Or was it some kind of general advice?

BB calling range can be wide, but of course this shove can be still profitable. If villain is bit on tight side then it probably is. Also good, if SB understand this bubble situation :)

Anyway here is nash ranges in this spot:

BU shove 74.4%, 22+ Kx+ Q2s+ Q3o+ J2s+ J5o+ T2s+ T6o+ 92s+ 96o+ 83s+ 86o+ 73s+ 75o+ 63s+ 65o 52s+ 54o 42s+
SB call 2.3%, TT+
BB overcall 0.9%, KK+
BB call 27.3%, 44+ A2s+ A3o+ K6s+ K9o+ Q9s+ QTo+ JTs

Now if we change stack situations bit and BB has 3000 chips:

BU shove 92.8%, 22+ Tx+ 92s+ 93o+ 82s+ 84o+ 72s+ 74o+ 62s+ 63o+ 5x+ 42s+ 43o 32s
SB call 5.4%, 77+ AJs+ AKo
BB overcall 0.9%, KK+
BB call 9.0%, 77+ A9s+ ATo+ KQs

Those should tell pretty much what I meant with my first post. When stacks are more even SB can call bit wider, but BB range will be only one third of what it was.


_Anonymous_ Topic starter
_Anonymous_

Originally posted by ghaleon

Originally posted by Heffron89

Originally posted by ghaleon
Your assumption is bit wrong. BB has less than 5bb left and is clearly short stack. So his calling range is pretty wide.

Okey but I watched a video and he said that if we are on bubble and the players have less than 10bb u can push any 2, did i understand this wrong or how does it work?

Check stack sizes in that video situation. Or was it some kind of general advice?

BB calling range can be wide, but of course this shove can be still profitable. If villain is bit on tight side then it probably is. Also good, if SB understand this bubble situation :)

Anyway here is nash ranges in this spot:

BU shove 74.4%, 22+ Kx+ Q2s+ Q3o+ J2s+ J5o+ T2s+ T6o+ 92s+ 96o+ 83s+ 86o+ 73s+ 75o+ 63s+ 65o 52s+ 54o 42s+
SB call 2.3%, TT+
BB overcall 0.9%, KK+
BB call 27.3%, 44+ A2s+ A3o+ K6s+ K9o+ Q9s+ QTo+ JTs

Now if we change stack situations bit and BB has 3000 chips:

BU shove 92.8%, 22+ Tx+ 92s+ 93o+ 82s+ 84o+ 72s+ 74o+ 62s+ 63o+ 5x+ 42s+ 43o 32s
SB call 5.4%, 77+ AJs+ AKo
BB overcall 0.9%, KK+
BB call 9.0%, 77+ A9s+ ATo+ KQs

Those should tell pretty much what I meant with my first post. When stacks are more even SB can call bit wider, but BB range will be only one third of what it was.

Thx alot for the answer :)

I havent played so many sngs yet onl like 700+ and so far my feeling at the stake i play peoepl are generally (especially these multitablers) extremellllly tight in 4 handed even if they only have 5bb.


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007
Elite Grinder

Hi all,

Note that nash isn't quite right for this situation. For example, no one is ever folding JJ at these stakes vs your shove and SB call (if they are BB here). At the same time, BB is never calling 27.4% once SB folds. So you can actually still push 74o against most players. Here I would just look and see if SB is too loose or not. If he is then I fold.


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