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[Closed] 2 hands line check 5.5 2r1addon

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fusionpk
Joined: 21.01.2010

sigh, yes lets rebluff his hands that have very little equity vs us, & rep a v draw heavy range in the process. just float, allow his and UTGs much worse ranges to come along and rep many turns/rivers to take it away later vs their capped ranges and stack them on gin cards. we get same value from draws but can also credibly rep many more hands.

when we raise:
if he has value hands he either calls flop and calls down many bricks/cards that he doesn't believe hits ur range (ur not going to be reraising alot of reverse implied hands etc.) or he shoves, so we get some value from his draws that peel/value hands, but we also only flip vs bottom of his shoving range.

floating:
he bets many turns so we still get the value we wud get from his peel, we can stack him when he has reverse implieds, we credibly rep many more hands on many more turns and we also allow utg to come along with his super weak range. we realise equity vs his value hands and also can make him fold out many more Jx type hands.

yes i agree ur line is going to be +EV thx to capped ranges and good equity, but i don't think it's optimal


utg min donks, hero calls, villain raise, utg folds, hero...

utg already fold so is HU

i do not agree that villain will bet most of the turn i do believe that if we flat villain will take pot control line on most of the turns

and as i said before if he call flop raise we r narowing his range, we take iniciative and we can barel on like 30 cards from 45 left that r not bricks and improve mine perceptive range and put presure on him -> any 5,7,8,T,Q,K,A :club:

if we just flat is oposite he can take pot control line or agro line and barel on like 27 cards (any non :club: 5,7,8,9,T,J,Q,K,A) that dont improve our real hand and we r now playing guesing game

cos of that i realy realy dont want flating in this spot on flop that deep in MTT, if we have read that when we flat villain will barel any turn(which i dont will be the case her i'm expecting villain to take pot control line more often then not) that we can flat and c/rai any turn


amplifyd
Joined: 03.08.2009

Yea im actually kinda against this as even a rebluff line. Its much better to call flop, ch/rai turn (if he has draw he is gna barrel) if he has weak Jx we have more than enough outs for scarecards.

And what i said about besk risk/reward isnt strictly true actually its just the lowest risk but i was being a tard not thinking.


fusionpk
Joined: 21.01.2010

i think the fact that u realise ur equity, rep more hands & keep in his reverse implied odds hands by floating just has so much more value.....

he will call some of them cards, it depends on how he perceives ur range, ofc he will fold many but not all. but my point is, if u float in this spot, he also folds these, and he will also barrel super often so u still have good dead money when u make a move, also, the point with a float is that u are more likely to make him fold, since u rep a much wider range, (suddenly u have all draws rather than just big draws in ur range, u have some weak/strong hands that can improve on turns that u can credibly rep in ur range), and u are much less likely to be bluffing

when he pot controls, u get to realise ur equity v well, u paid watever his flop raise was to see 2 streets.. can still bluff some rivers, valuebet some rivers etc etc. also he doesn't pot control super often (why raise flop and not bet turn with made hands when u clearly expect value from draws etc)

there are also brick turns that u can rep, for example the 6 u cud rep v well with a turn c/r whereas when u barrel its just like lol..